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Old 7th Jun 2020, 16:31
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TT,

I just love uninformed commentary:

ďInterestingly, The NFL has reversed Itís position of censor 180 degrees over the gesture just these last days. It cost Colin Kaepernick a great deal personally(contractless for 4 years), but he stood to his guns and has emerged the morale victor. Guess who tried to shame him for being unpatriotic? Yes, that would be our old friend in the White House, Donald FrumpĒ.

A lot of Americans didnít then, and donít now, like mixing sports and politics. They stopped watching the NFL in droves, that means the potential loss of millions of dollars, owners and players finally figured out that could be a real problem for all of them.

The NFL is again virtue signaling, I doubt the result will change fans opinions.

I believe a lot of folks outside the US underestimate the reverence of the Stars and Stripes here.

it will be interesting to see.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 16:59
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Originally Posted by fltlt View Post
TT,

I just love uninformed commentary:

ďInterestingly, The NFL has reversed Itís position of censor 180 degrees over the gesture just these last days. It cost Colin Kaepernick a great deal personally(contractless for 4 years), but he stood to his guns and has emerged the morale victor. Guess who tried to shame him for being unpatriotic? Yes, that would be our old friend in the White House, Donald FrumpĒ.

A lot of Americans didnít then, and donít now, like mixing sports and politics. They stopped watching the NFL in droves, that means the potential loss of millions of dollars, owners and players finally figured out that could be a real problem for all of them.

The NFL is again virtue signaling, I doubt the result will change fans opinions.

I believe a lot of folks outside the US underestimate the reverence of the Stars and Stripes here.

it will be interesting to see.
You are confusing being uninformed with not seeing things like you. And a great many people are absolutely aware of the reverence with which the Stars & Stripes is seen. Symbolically, some issues get blown completely out of proportion once the sensitivities in that respect are touched on.

Kaepernick, unlike the NFL, was prepared for his stand to cost him millions of dollars. The NFL Board were a bunch of chickenshits who couldnít tell left from right, let alone right from wrong. Kaepernick made his position clear: It was never intended to be an unpatriotic gesture, but a statement against an ongoing unacceptable state of affairs. The world has caught up 4 years later.

You may not like it, but in case you havenít seen the news lately, that gesture has achieved national significance in the consciousness of many Americans tired of police brutality against black citizens in particular. The NFL and the money interests will be rethinking where the dollar interest lies in now deciding not to punish players making the gesture. And as the NFL is populated by many black players with a large audience of mixed ethnicity that will share the sense of outrage over the death of George Floyd, I think those turning off will find their dollar importance slipping.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 17:06
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As one NFL high up stated the other day - without black players there would be no NFL!

Sallyann I would love to know how those officers justify beating a young woman with batons - I wonder if it really is just one bad percentage of US cops who think this is acceptable - we seem to see rather a lot of this. It's not like they could claim they were at risk.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 17:09
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Originally Posted by Torquetalk View Post
You are confusing being uninformed with not seeing things like you. And a great many people are absolutely aware of the reverence with which the Stars & Stripes is seen. Symbolically, some issues get blown completely out of proportion once the sensitivities in that respect are touched on.

Kaepernick, unlike the NFL, was prepared for his stand to cost him millions of dollars. The NFL Board were a bunch of chickenshits who couldnít tell left from right, let alone right from wrong. Kaepernick made his position clear: It was never intended to be an unpatriotic gesture, but a statement against an ongoing unacceptable state of affairs. The world has caught up 4 years later.

You may not like it, but in case you havenít seen the news lately, that gesture has achieved national significance in the consciousness of many Americans tired of police brutality against black citizens in particular. The NFL and the money interests will be rethinking where the dollar interest lies in now deciding not to punish players making the gesture. And as the NFL is populated by many black players with a large audience of mixed ethnicity that will share the sense of outrage over the death of George Floyd, I think those turning off will find their dollar importance slipping.
Kaepernick has made more money since his first kneeling than he ever would have as an ex quarterback, Nike contract, endorsements, etc.

The old saying still stands true:
No Bucks, no Buck Rogers.

Sports fans are sports fans, team colors top skin color in most cases.
Rabid fans, yes.

Fans pay to see football, not protests.


Wont be too long before we all find out.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 17:19
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Completely agree. It's just another vanity protest like back in 2011, nothing will change just a lot of abuse of police and vandalism all of which will cost thousands to put right.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 17:23
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Another large march in London this morning which gathered at the American embassy.

Large numbers now gathering outside Downing Street again, about 20% seem to be either without masks, are with them down to talk or smoke. Large numbers of police in attendance and all presently peaceful. Fingers cross it stays that way as the evening progresses.

Digressing, there have been daily protests locally in Brighton, up to and including today, which the council and police have cooperated in letting go ahead. More protests are planned in the next few days and more yet again over next weekend. Again the local council and police are planning to cooperate.

A statement from the organisers, explaining their protests are in support of the Black Lives Matter movement ended with the statement that:

"We will be destroying the facade of Brighton being 'such an accepting community' and presenting the horrible truth of racism still lurking explicitly and subtly in the UK today.".
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 17:29
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My 12 year daughter wanted to show support so my wife took her and our elder daughter to the Westminster march yesterday. She said the Black Lives Matter speeches were very quickly superseded by chants of We Hate Boris, F*** Boris and f*** the police etc
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 17:37
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 17:48
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
A statement from the organisers, explaining their protests are in support of the Black Lives Matter movement ended with the statement that:

"We will be destroying the facade of Brighton being 'such an accepting community' and presenting the horrible truth of racism still lurking explicitly and subtly in the UK today.".
This is a perfect illustration of the brain-dead people that are organising many of these protests. Pretty much everyone knows that Brighton, of all the towns in the UK, is probably THE most diverse and accepting community we have. There's a very good reason that so many diverse groups of people choose to live there, and that's precisely because they are made to feel welcome by all.

I remain convinced that the organisers of these protests don't give a shit about BLM, all they wish to do is protest against anything and everything that, in their bigoted tiny minds, might possibly be perceived as some form of authority.

I sincerely hope that someone has the testicular fortitude to call them out for the unnecessary illnesses and deaths their entirely selfish actions will undoubtedly cause.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 17:50
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I agree that criminal damage is never ok, but against that I’m amazed that the Colston statue hasn’t been removed before now. There are many statues of people who held views, and behaved, by what by 21st century standards would regard as abhorrent, however in the main they had redeeming virtues. Colston appears to have none, apart from spraying money made from slavery around Bristol. To make a modern analogy- would a statue to a drug dealer who was generously philanthropic with the profits ever be acceptable? Especially if he had his initials branded on his victims?
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 17:58
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Statue Torn Down in Bristol

During the protests today a statue of a slave trader was toppled, dragged to and deposited in the harbour by a group within the protest.

A perfect storm has gathered.

Start with racial inequality.
Add long standing discrimination, blatant and overt.
Add a government out of touch.
Add Covid 19
Add that BAME groups are more susceptible to Covid 19 as reported in MSM
Add the prospect of a major economic depression hitting the poorest in society the hardest
Add a Government and PM floundering to cope and a lack of leadership, members of whom break the lock down rules.
Add Peaceful protests ignoring social distancing, infiltrated by Ďrent a mobí and anarchists who have their own unrelated agenda.
Just needs something to light the blue touch paper, which due to tragic, totally ingrained discrimination reasons happened in America.

This is not going away, I fear this will now make the Brixton and subsequent riots look like a Vicarage tea party. Rent a mob feeding on elements of social media unrest will ensure that..
In the immediate short term, one would hope that law and order will quickly prevail.
We need Leadership from Westminster and respect thereof, that is lacking.(We got precisely what we knowingly voted for)

The future post Covid, at present is something to be feared.

In all my 70 years this is the first time I'm truly ashamed to be British and fear for the future of this country.




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Old 7th Jun 2020, 18:00
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George Washington? Tobacco and slaves?

Perhaps they ought to pull down his statue in Trafalgar Square?

http://www.mountvernon.org/library/d...ticle/tobacco/




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Old 7th Jun 2020, 18:02
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You cannot change history. The Colston statue attack is pure vandalism IMHO.
The Churchill statue defacing is almost Treason.
I agree that we need to look at how black people are treated, but I see UK as no where as bad as other countries (lets look at eastern Europe for a start). If these attacks continue in UK, then I can see that support from non blacks will turn.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 18:40
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One could ask the same question of her re presenters at Sky. I would also ask her to define black, as with most multicultural populations this gets diluted through marriage etc. Silly me and here was I thinking you employ the most talented regardless of sex, race, creed or disability, today we appear to employ on quotas regardless of talent.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 18:49
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Re the statues question is where were the police, re the breaking of the covid19 regs, start arresting them randomly, throw them in vans and haul them off to be charged and released, the further away the better.
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Silly me and here was I thinking you employ the most talented regardless of sex, race, creed or disability, today we appear to employ on quotas regardless of talent.
Even leaving aside race, are you really that naive?
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 18:51
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The British public is inherently racist, but often in a covert way, but we probably aren't alone in that.
Speak for yourself.. Are you saying you're inherently racist?

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Old 7th Jun 2020, 18:59
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
I agree that criminal damage is never ok, but against that Iím amazed that the Colston statue hasnít been removed before now. There are many statues of people who held views, and behaved, by what by 21st century standards would regard as abhorrent, however in the main they had redeeming virtues. Colston appears to have none, apart from spraying money made from slavery around Bristol. To make a modern analogy- would a statue to a drug dealer who was generously philanthropic with the profits ever be acceptable? Especially if he had his initials branded on his victims?
Bristol: the city that lauds the slave trader
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 19:01
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Originally Posted by WestofEMA View Post
You cannot change history. The Colston statue attack is pure vandalism IMHO.
The Churchill statue defacing is almost Treason.
I agree that we need to look at how black people are treated, but I see UK as no where as bad as other countries (lets look at eastern Europe for a start)
How about we look at present day Africa for a start?
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