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Old 7th Jun 2020, 08:26
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BET founder offered his reparations plan a few days ago, $14 trillion.
Oh, OK then. So long as it's something reasonable
BTW I must have missed the part where California ever allowed slavery...
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 09:03
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I'll probably end up sorry I got involved, but a few points to consider:
At least in the US, nearly all the violent protests have occurred in urban areas that are governed by the left. New York, Minneapolis, Chicago, Seattle, Atlanta, etc. are all bastions of the far left. Why are these far left enclaves such cesspools of racism and hatred?
Cause and effect? Perhaps you could pose that question the other way around.

If I had been born into a 'cesspool of racism and hatred' , I would very likely have listened to the far left who were the only ones offering a way out. I would very likely have voted for them.

And when I found as happens everywhere, that the extreme left failed to improve matters, I would very likely take to the streets as my only remaining way of protest.

Then when I found that my street protests were joined by extremists bent upon anarchy and destruction, and met with tear gas and baton charges, I would very likely have turned violent too.

It's not hard to understand.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 09:27
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I note the Sky News video headline posted by (who else?) reads "Officer knocked off horse ...etc" As I understand it, the officer in question lost control of her horse and when it bolted she hit a traffic light and was knocked off the horse. I can well understand that ORAC would have difficulty in differentiating the two versions but an occasional concern for accuracy of reporting would be commendable.
I further note the recently upgraded Ms Dick suggesting that the protesters are causing potential health problems to the population of this country. Could well be so, but much less than the health problems caused by the directive of a particular Gold Commander in dealing with an innocent foreign visitor in the not so distant past!
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 09:46
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What issue, within the UK, is so great that it is worth deliberately spreading a disease that will kill people for?

I can understand the frustration and sense of powerlessness some feel when watching events unfold across the USA, but do these protesters really think that threatening the lives of innocent people here in the UK, many of whom will be from the BAME section of our society, who are known to be more susceptible to severe illness and death from this disease, is in any way reasonable behaviour?

I guess the real problem is that protesters like this just don't think at all, and have zero ability to even begin to understand the impact of their senseless behaviour. Perhaps a bit of viral genome tracking to connect protesters to people who later die, and then making their names public, so they, and all their friends, know that they have acted to harm and kill people, might get the message across.
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I grew up in a part of the country that was pretty much exclusively white. The first black chap I ever met was when I started work. He came from Antigua, and was a laugh a minute. We became good friends, he found me a bedsit close to where he lived in Shepherds Bush (same landlord) and we often went out socially. This was in the early 1970's, and maybe I was a bit naive, but I was incredibly shocked by the discrimination he faced on a daily basis. Some of it was subtle, like the time we were both queuing in the bank, he was in front of me in the queue and the cashier just ignored him and tried to serve me instead. Some was less subtle, like calling at a filling station (before self-service) where he'd ask me to get out of the car and get the attendant, as otherwise we'd be waiting all evening, as the attendant would just refuse to serve him because he was black. In the lab where we worked we had a tea lady that came around with a trolley morning and afternoon. Not only would she refuse to make him tea, but she'd make pointed racist insults all the time. I remember her coming back after being off sick for a few days, and the first thing she said, when someone asked how she was, was that she'd only been sick "because of all the blackies, bringing in their germs".

Open discrimination here in the UK was just a fact of life then. It was common for pubs and B&Bs to have signs outside saying "No Blacks" (and also often "No Irish"). The odd thing is that Tom invited me to stay with his brother and sister-in-law, in New York. The pair of us managed to get indulgence flights to Washington over and back, taking the Greyhound up to New York,and whilst over in the US it was noticeable that he, and his brother, received a lot less racism than he had to deal with every day in the UK. Maybe because that was because his brother was a police officer, so may have been known locally, but I'm inclined to think that New York, even then, was more multicultural and less inherently racist than the UK.


Double standards? or inability to correlate experience?
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 09:53
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Very sadly in the last few years you've seen these same prejudices aimed at Poles, Hungarians, Romanians and others from Eastern Europe. The British public is inherently racist, but often in a covert way, but we probably aren't alone in that.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 10:12
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Wasn't too long ago in UK history that children were sent to work in the coal mines. Poor people matter.

Every demographic has its percentage of complete utter morons beyond any help or rehabilitation. Dumb people matter.

In Oz we are bleeding out government handouts trying to support people made jobless from the pandemic, and many friends of mine in the hospitality industry are suffering in silence waiting for the day they can get back control of their lives. Hospitality people matter.

The recent world wide protests against the recomendations of the health authorities have been branded incredibly selfish, uneccesarily risky, and irresponsible. It's all about me that matters.

Of course all lives matter, insert any of your favourite form of perceived oppression into that. Blank lines matter.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 10:55
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Last year (2019), nine unarmed blacks died at the hands of the police in the US - that's right, nine, out of a population of ~40 million black Americans. Now, I totally agree that is nine to many, and what happened to George Floyd was particularly egregious, but nine out of 40 million hardly qualifies as "widespread".
The grievances are about more than unarmed blacks being killed by police. US police kill over 1000 people a year, far, far out of proportion to other developed nations. These arenít just rent a crowd protests, thereís actual science based solutions professionals want to implement in order to reduce police violence (like better training, independent oversight, demilitarisation, all detailed here).

A lot of it is also about the seemingly disproportionate attention police pay to African Americans, not just being killed, but simply being ďstoppedĒ. It has been going on for decades, as popular media has shown:

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Sallyann1234 - you beat me to it and I agree with you. White republican areas will vote to maintain the staus quo.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 13:25
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I note the Sky News video headline posted by (who else?) reads "Officer knocked off horse ...etc" As I understand it, the officer in question lost control of her horse and when it bolted she hit a traffic light and was knocked off the horse.
She fell off her horse because someone threw a bike at it, you can find the video. Cause and effect.


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Old 7th Jun 2020, 14:52
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Taking the knee...

Am I alone in thinking that the gesture of kneeling is particularly unsuited and unsympathetic - not to say drastically insensitive - considering that the policeman in Minneapolis killed the subject with just such a posture?
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 14:52
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I get the impression that some of the participants in these demonstrations have agendas other than to protest about Floyd's death. It's not all about him anymore. Someone pointed out on another website that to date, 16 people have been killed by 'protesters', while nine unarmed black people were killed by the police in America in all of last year. Neither are acceptable of course (assuming the details are correct), but it adds some perspective.
Can I suggest that a lot of the condemnatory media statements were made by various high-altitude personalities rushing to pay band-wagon lip service. They'll have forgotten Floyd by tea-time.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 15:03
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Originally Posted by stevef View Post
I get the impression that some of the participants in these demonstrations have agendas other than to protest about Floyd's death. It's not all about him anymore. Someone pointed out on another website that to date, 16 people have been killed by 'protesters', while nine unarmed black people were killed by the police in America in all of last year. Neither are acceptable of course (assuming the details are correct), but it adds some perspective.
Can I suggest that a lot of the condemnatory media statements were made by various high-altitude personalities rushing to pay band-wagon lip service. They'll have forgotten Floyd by tea-time.
You are right of course. Any event like this which starts as a peaceful demonstration gets taken over by the same anarchist troublemakers whose only intention is to disrupt society.
It also gets support from safely behind social media accounts by celebs who have no real interest in the issues but ​​​​want to advertise their pseudo-left credentials.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 15:08
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Am I alone in thinking that the gesture of kneeling is particularly unsuited and unsympathetic - not to say drastically insensitive - considering that the policeman in Minneapolis killed the subject with just such a posture?
I assumed this is done as a reminder of the reason why they are demonstrating, and probably as a taunt to the police as well.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 15:17
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Simply another left wing 'rent a crowd'.
Precisely.

I'm given to wonder when virtue signalling will become an Olympic sport.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 15:40
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I assumed this is done as a reminder of the reason why they are demonstrating, and probably as a taunt to the police as well.
Its from August 2016 when Colin Kaepernick, the San Francisco quarterback, started to kneel during the National Anthem in protest against racism and police brutality.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 15:42
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I assumed this is done as a reminder of the reason why they are demonstrating, and probably as a taunt to the police as well.
The recent history of kneeling as a form of protest began wit NfL player Colin Kaepernick in 2016:

https://www.facinghistory.org/educat...ding-takeaknee

I doubt if there is any connection in using the gesture to indicate how George Floyd died. It is more intended to indicate solidarity and respect In protest at an unacceptable state of affairs. That is why some police officers and politicians have joined in making this gesture at demonstrations. And it has gone down well.

Interestingly, The NFL has reversed It’s position of censor 180 degrees over the gesture just these last days. It cost Colin Kaepernick a great deal personally(contractless for 4 years), but he stood to his guns and has emerged the morale victor. Guess who tried to shame him for being unpatriotic? Yes, that would be our old friend in the White House, Donald Frump.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 15:46
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I assumed this is done as a reminder of the reason why they are demonstrating, and probably as a taunt to the police as well.
The one I saw kneeling was the Chief of Police. I don't think for one moment he thought of anything but sorrow. I think someone will find something wrong regardless of the real meaning.

Edited to add:

I have just seen a picture from the Washington Post, again a black police officer is kneeling at the front. Others behind are clearly copying the fatal image amplifying the message of protest.

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Interesting. Thanks.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 15:52
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I'm given to wonder when virtue signalling will become an Olympic sport.
Labour would finally win something.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 16:11
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Some of the police violence is just sickening. It's not just black victims

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