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Old 18th May 2020, 19:01
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Food supplements

Anyone swear by food supplements?

I take glucosamine sulphate and it seems to do wonders for my knees, but I received a brochure from one of the big suppliers today and was surprised by the amount of different supplements for sale.

They all sound great and you could easily say that each one was a good idea, though even if you only took half a dozen types, you would soon start rattling inside (and spend a fortune in the process).

What do people take that they wouldn't do without?
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Old 18th May 2020, 19:43
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I only swear at ads for food supplements.
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Old 18th May 2020, 20:15
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I'm not convinced

I'm not qualified to comment but my opinion based on everything I've read is that there is little need for supplements and I'm sceptical about the powerful industry behind the advertising.
The exceptions are people with known deficiencies or lack of access to a balanced diet, and that said, as recommended by health authorities we take Vit D during the winter months but that's about it.
Try looking up 'bioavailability' because many companies make claims that are essentially true i.e. " supplement X is known to do Y" but the reality is that when you take it, your body cannot absorb it, Curcuma being a current example.
As a medical consultant in the family said to me " .. all vitamin supplements do is give you the most expensive urine in the world.."
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Old 18th May 2020, 20:44
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If you eat normal, healthy, fresh food you won't need anything else on top. Better invest in the quality of your food and eat regularly and without rush and vary the stuff you eat. Meat, fish, vegetables, fruit. Why not learn to cook yourself it's quite enjoyable, cheap and you can invite people to join you for breakfast?
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Old 18th May 2020, 21:19
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Glucosamine sulphate for my knees, it did wonders for the dogs and seems to work for me and Vitamin D following the arrival of the virus.
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Old 18th May 2020, 21:59
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I've always eaten healthily and enjoyed my red wine. I take Vit D but not the Calcium Carbonate prescribed, blackboard chalk, useless seeing as I had much of it lobbed my way as a student. NHS will not prescribe Calcium Citrate, so I purchase it.
Osteoporosis, I rejected the drugs for this as lack of evidential proof, although the Registrar (at Salisbury) tried to bully me into taking them; she was doing a PhD in osteoporosis, perhaps she'd care to actually listen to her patients.
I purchase Magnesium, good for the osteoblasts/osteoclasts.
Two years ago a distal femur fracture which floored me literally; whereby the surgeon did an amazing feat sorting me out. Mentioned of soft bones. I will be forever grateful to him with his team (now back at Barts). Plate, 12 screws plus knee cap wiring----somewhat hacked off with not getting free WiFi for life:-) Ho Hum.
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Old 18th May 2020, 22:23
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Originally Posted by katya2607 View Post
Osteoporosis, I rejected the drugs for this as lack of evidential proof
Would that be alendronic acid?
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Old 18th May 2020, 23:36
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Originally Posted by WB627 View Post
Glucosamine sulphate for my knees, it did wonders for the dogs and seems to work for me and Vitamin D following the arrival of the virus.
Are you using "dogs" as a euphemism here?
As in "red dogs under illegal legs" - Elvis Costello.
Or "my dogs are barking......"
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Old 19th May 2020, 06:38
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As above, pretty much all the evidence suggests that, in the main, most people have no need of food supplements, if they eat sensibly and don't have some sort of condition that stops them being able to absorb enough of what's needed from their diet, or they don't get enough sunlight, perhaps.

Having said that, many food supplements do apparently work, simply because of the combined power of advertising, suggestibility and the placebo effect. The latter is often more powerful than many drugs (one reason double blind drug trials are used), so we shouldn't just dismiss it at all. If someone believes that something will work, there's a very good chance that it will seem to work, and that may well be a good enough reason to take it, as long as it causes no harm.

The downside is that the opportunity for exploitation by those marketing such supplements and treatments is pretty high, and many of them are pretty much unregulated (they are "foodstuffs" not medicines), so you may well have no real idea as to what it is you're actually taking. There's a pretty good chance that it may not be what's on the label, as some of the recent testing on samples of CBD oil has shown.
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Old 19th May 2020, 08:50
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I eat a balanced diet and we make most of our meals from scratch. I eat protein, carbs, fats, fruit and vegetables. However, we do not eat every type of all those foodstuffs, so there is no way I can tell if I have all the elements that my body needs for a healthy life and immune system. Is my diet truly balanced, and how would I know?

I would rather risk so-called "expensive urine" than risk not being able to kill cancerous cells in my body or the Covid19 virus, for want of certain trace elements. And multi-vitamins are not expensive if one shops wisely. They cost a lot less than prime, organic steak.

If eating a supposedly 'normal balanced diet' gives one all the elements one needs, then it puzzles me that certain people seem to have worse health and life expectancy than others. Could lack of vitamins and trace elements in their diet be a reason?
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Old 19th May 2020, 08:57
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Tried Glucosamine sulphate for a long time to try an combat knee problems, got no relief from it. It doesn't work for all.
If it does for you, best of luck, it could have been that mine were too far buggered to be of benefit.
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Old 19th May 2020, 09:40
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NHS will not prescribe Calcium Citrate, so I purchase it
Really? I get calcium and Vit D combined prescribed (Adcal-D3 - similar to Calcichew) to counteract side effects of hormone therapy (for prostate cancer - which may explain the difference?)
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Old 19th May 2020, 09:51
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
Would that be alendronic acid?
Yes indeed. My G.P. printed out a list of drugs available. I did an "in-depth analysis". E-mailed various manufacturers asking why one should take them for only five years, for if these drugs/injections were that good it would be a lifetime regime. Strangely none of them replied:-)
The Consultant decided the injections will be my only route. No issues with jabs, though when I mentioned I'd rather think about it, she stated without the injections I'd be in a wheelchair within less than ten years. That little gem of information was over 15 years ago. I certainly will not be either bullied or frightened by anyone.
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Old 19th May 2020, 11:41
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Thanks Katya, a friend has just gone on it and there appear to be some side issues; but I think the info she was given before hand was less drastic than what you were told. Do you have to pay for your medication?
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Old 19th May 2020, 12:38
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Daughter is a fully paid up NHS dietician.
Her advice - balanced diet, fresh food, and vitamin D, but only take the vitamin D tablet with food containing fat of some sort, as the body won't absorb it otherwise.
Nothing else, unless it is for a very specific need, and has data/Science behind it.
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Old 19th May 2020, 12:39
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Are you using "dogs" as a euphemism here?
As in "red dogs under illegal legs" - Elvis Costello.
Or "my dogs are barking......"
Dogs as in a pair of black Labradors
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Old 19th May 2020, 13:34
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For a healthy balanced diet you need to go back and start eating WW2 rationing.. they believe it was the best balanced diet and the nation was fitter for it.


https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...v5frgPhQ-7ZQMA

https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/rationin...lthier/zjrmkmn





https://www.theguardian.com/theobser....lifemagazine5
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Old 19th May 2020, 16:12
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Treadi.... Am now of the age where I get the 'scripts free

Ancient....Thanks for the info on taking the Vit. D.

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Old 20th May 2020, 09:12
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
Daughter is a fully paid up NHS dietician.
Her advice - balanced diet, fresh food, and vitamin D, but only take the vitamin D tablet with food containing fat of some sort, as the body won't absorb it otherwise.
Nothing else, unless it is for a very specific need, and has data/Science behind it.
How do we know for sure if our diet is balanced though?

How can we test for that?

What if we are deficient in, say, zinc, or selenium, or manganese or iodine etc. etc, and one or other such trace element turns out to be important for our immune systems or our cancer killing systems?
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Old 20th May 2020, 09:47
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Unless you have access to regular testing facilities (blood/saliva/urine/stools/hair) it's all a bit moot and probably unnecessary.

If, as recommended further up the thread, by eaingt a mostly healthy varied diet you shouldn't want for much in terms of minerals and vitamins. Take supplements as a belt and braces by all means. Try to keep your diet alkaline in nature with enough fibre to move the bowels easily. Acidic diets, very sugary, starchy (junk food) create an environment that allows disease to flourish. Use the body, it was designed to move and walking should be on everyone's to-do list at a minimum. We never know if we are susceptible to whatever (fill in the gap), but to give ourselves the best chance of avoiding them our daily diet goes a long way to helping in that regard.
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