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Old 17th May 2020, 13:16
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
“They also block traffic...”. If your tax and registration succeeds in forcing everyone now cycling back into their cars, nobody’s going anywhere!
sorry nobody around here is commuting on their bikes. Just out for there weekend ride. Just get a mountain bike and do the many off road trails. Just stay off the roads.
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Old 17th May 2020, 14:08
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
“They also block traffic...”. If your tax and registration succeeds in forcing everyone now cycling back into their cars, nobody’s going anywhere!
Around these parts Nottingham City Council is busy narrowing roads and providing wide two way cycle lanes into and around the city; if other cities were quite so forward thinking then there might be less conflict between cyclist and motorist, however even with the cycle highways you tend to find that cyclists (and not the leisure types) appear to believe that traffic signals are optional for human powered two-wheelers, and get extremely arsey when people complain about their lack of road sense. Of course being a city where students almost outnumber full time residents the roads are also plagued with Deliveroo and Uber cylclists delivering takeaways for the poor darlings who "can't cook, won't cook" and they too have scant regards for the Highway Code.

One side effect of narrowing of the city's already inadequate road is that it makes commuting into the city by road virtually impossible, but at least we have, from some suburbs an excellent and safe tram network for people who don't want to sit in traffic jams in their cars, and don't own bikes.
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Old 17th May 2020, 15:07
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Around these parts Nottingham City Council is busy narrowing roads and providing wide two way cycle lanes into and around the city; if other cities were quite so forward thinking then there might be less conflict between cyclist and motorist, however even with the cycle highways you tend to find that cyclists (and not the leisure types) appear to believe that traffic signals are optional for human powered two-wheelers, and get extremely arsey when people complain about their lack of road sense. Of course being a city where students almost outnumber full time residents the roads are also plagued with Deliveroo and Uber cylclists delivering takeaways for the poor darlings who "can't cook, won't cook" and they too have scant regards for the Highway Code.

One side effect of narrowing of the city's already inadequate road is that it makes commuting into the city by road virtually impossible, but at least we have, from some suburbs an excellent and safe tram network for people who don't want to sit in traffic jams in their cars, and don't own bikes.
Around here there seem to be two very distinct types of cyclist, and it's fair to say that the two groups don't see eye to eye. A cycle path route I fairly regularly used to ride into town, from the edge of town supermarket car park, had a pretty polite and considerate group of cyclists using it, a mix of old duffers like me, families on a range of different types of bikes and even a few riding full size tricycles. I can't recall ever seeing any sort of a conflict on that route at all. By way of contrast, there's a cycle lane alongside a fairly busy road on the edge of town that seems to regularly attract the "Lycra Louts", who, as their nickname suggests, are pretty damned rude much of the time. They tend to be the ones that ignore traffic lights and road signs, get abusive to any other road user and generally ride faster than is safe in an urban area. Although speed limits don't apply to bikes, it seems barking mad to have groups of bikes travelling well in excess of 20mph urban speed limits.

If we had a way to get right around Salisbury without going through the middle of the city, then it would definitely be safer and more pleasant if the narrow streets in the centre were closed to cars and opened up for cyclists, small scooter riders and disabled access. Unfortunately, the local geography makes getting a route around the South of the city pretty near impossible, not least because it would need to cross the water meadows, and that would seriously upset all the Constable fans (although it seems his horse and cart is taking this route):


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Old 17th May 2020, 16:40
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“Just out for there (sic) weekend ride..” How do weekend rides hinder your much higher-priority journeys high flyer?
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Old 17th May 2020, 19:33
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A 'six footer.'

My walking stick had been invaluable over the years in the city discussed; five bob in Cyprus, 1972. The picture painted, not the Constable of course, is accurate, but fails to mention the excellent bicycle shop.

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Old 17th May 2020, 22:31
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Originally Posted by highflyer40 View Post
They also block traffic on narrow roads or with some elderly drivers afraid to pass them so everyone is crawling along for miles!!
I've done a lot of driving and cycling, and I've never seen a traffic jam caused by bikes. Cars, on the other hand...
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Old 18th May 2020, 05:24
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Download an app from the company, find one of their scooters parked on the pavement (there's 100's), use it then leave it somewhere safe
........(there's 100's) .... The California city I referred to has recently licensed 3,000, via 3 separate operators !

.........use it then leave it somewhere safe .... Yeah ! Right ! Like they obey all the other rules, too ? Don't make me laugh, just ban the lot of them.

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Old 18th May 2020, 05:36
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Orac - why not go for an e-bike instead?
I bought one about 2 years ago and it's taken all the pain out of cycling.. It's a real pleasure to ride with its 7 speed gears - and 6 levels of assistance from its Bosch electric motor - plus its sprung forks and disc brakes. Take one out for a test ride and you'll be sold.
I'd be concerned about the stability of a scooter and its ability to stop suddenly - say if a pedestrian hasn't heard you approach and steps out in front..
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Old 18th May 2020, 08:06
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Orac - why not go for an e-bike instead?
I’ll repeat my opening post.

I live on the top floor of an old converted building with a two person lift. The only way you’d get a bike in is b6 standing on end - and I don’t have room for one in my apartment anyway.

There is a bike rack outside but, this being Brighton*, locks are cut off and they vanish quickly if worth anything. It is covered b6 our CCTV and, when asked by the police, I check it with them. Average theft takes about 30 seconds. But as they admit they don’t really pursue the cases.

Looked at fold up electric bikes but they average twice To three times the size folded weight and twice to three times the price.

BN2 - theft rate 987% of average for England and Wales.

https://www.plumplot.co.uk/Brighton-...tatistics.html
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Old 18th May 2020, 08:13
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
“Just out for there (sic) weekend ride..” How do weekend rides hinder your much higher-priority journeys high flyer?
If someone is hindering me being able to
drive at the speed limit then they need to get off the road. Especially if they were to ever look behind them and see a queue of 10 or so cars unable to pass.

In the cities I can see a purpose for bikes. They would be a great commuting option. Outside the cities ban them. They serve no purpose. If you want exercise get a mountain bike and ride the trails.
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Old 18th May 2020, 08:33
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If someone is hindering me being able to
drive at the speed limit then they need to get off the road. Especially if they were to ever look behind them and see a queue of 10 or so cars unable to pass.
Plenty of people drive cars, buses and lorries at less than the posted speed limit - 40 in a 50, 50 in a 60, etc. Must they get off the road and out of your way? You sound very impatient... Tractors in a rural setting must be a complete nightmare for you.

When you are cycling with your family along paths, do you get as frustrated with walkers blocking the narrow sections?
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Old 18th May 2020, 08:51
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
Plenty of people drive cars, buses and lorries at less than the posted speed limit - 40 in a 50, 50 in a 60, etc. Must they get off the road and out of your way? You sound very impatient... Tractors in a rural setting must be a complete nightmare for you.

When you are cycling with your family along paths, do you get as frustrated with walkers blocking the narrow sections?
paths are meant for both walkers and cycles so no both have a right to be there. Same with tractors in rural settings (and BTW most tractors are very considerate).

40 in a 50... fine, although I would pass if safe to do so, but what about 15 or 20 in a 50 zone?


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Old 18th May 2020, 09:07
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Originally Posted by highflyer40 View Post
paths are meant for both walkers and cycles so no both have a right to be there.
In England and Wales, cycling on a footpath is trespass more often than not. It's only those public footpaths where the landowner has explicitly given consent for the use of cycles that can be ridden on. Cycling is permitted on all bridleways, though. The majority of landowners don't bother to take action against cyclists riding on public footpaths over their land, but should there be an accident involving pedestrians and a cyclist on such a path then I'd guess the issue of the cyclist trespassing might possibly come up. Trespass is only a civil matter, though.
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Old 18th May 2020, 09:12
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paths are meant for both walkers and cycles so no both have a right to be there
SOME paths can be used cyclists.

Roads with exception of motorways are permissible for cyclists so they have a right to be there. In fact horses and then cyclists were using public highways long before cars.

I do a lot of walking and SOME cyclists are a bloody nuisance and dangerous off road. Ban them all I say! Make them use the roads.

I find it amusing that loud mouthed oiks with a hard man self image often cycle on the pavements around here, yet nearly all the women I see on bikes are riding on the roads.
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Old 18th May 2020, 14:14
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As mechanically propelled vehicles electric scooters are illegal for public road use.
My understanding is that the law will only be changed for hire companies thereby ensuring road worthiness and insurance.
Yes, some idiots will use them without care for others.
On the whole though I think we've all seen things need to change. This could be a small part of a greater shift in our habits.
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Old 18th May 2020, 17:06
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Originally Posted by Hydromet View Post
I've done a lot of driving and cycling, and I've never seen a traffic jam caused by bikes. Cars, on the other hand...
You obviously haven't driven much around the country lanes in Surrey and Sussex.
It's far from uncommon for there to be a very long queue of vehicles waiting to pass a group of cyclists, cyclists who seem to think that it's their god given right to ride two or three abreast so that vehicles behind have little or no chance of passing safely.
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Old 18th May 2020, 17:15
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Originally Posted by 747 jock View Post
You obviously haven't driven much around the country lanes in Surrey and Sussex.
It's far from uncommon for there to be a very long queue of vehicles waiting to pass a group of cyclists, cyclists who seem to think that it's their god given right to ride two or three abreast so that vehicles behind have little or no chance of passing safely.

It's common around here, too, more so in the last couple of weeks as larger groups of lycras seem to be out and about now. I followed a group of maybe 6 or 8 of them, for 4 or 5 miles the week before last, on a section of road where there just wasn't a clear enough view ahead to get past them. Being stuck doing ~20mph for around 15 minutes behind them didn't exactly endear me to their cause. The annoying thing is that there were two or three straight stretches where, had they been considerate enough to just break up their gaggle it would have been safe to pass them. I get the feeling that some lycras are very deliberately obstructive, just because they feel the need to emphasise to everyone that they have a right to use the roads. Doesn't do them any favours, IMHO.
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Old 18th May 2020, 19:15
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Originally Posted by 747 jock View Post
You obviously haven't driven much around the country lanes in Surrey and Sussex.
It's far from uncommon for there to be a very long queue of vehicles waiting to pass a group of cyclists, cyclists who seem to think that it's their god given right to ride two or three abreast so that vehicles behind have little or no chance of passing safely.
You need as much space to pass a cyclist as you do a parked car.
It was pre Lord Chief Justice Parker I'm sure that said a cyclist is entitled to his wobble
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Old 18th May 2020, 19:25
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
You need as much space to pass a cyclist as you do a parked car.
Not too many parked cars on 60MPH single lane country roads. Now cyclists on the other hand, they seem to be magically drawn to them!
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
You need as much space to pass a cyclist as you do a parked car.
Agreed, but my post wasn't about a cyclist, it was about 2 or 3 of them riding abreast, something that can make it nigh on impossible to get past them.
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