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Is it time Harrison Ford hung up his boots?

Old 30th Apr 2020, 09:42
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Is it time Harrison Ford hung up his boots?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52481858

Not to pick on him, but there is a time to consider whether you are safe for yourself and others.
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 10:39
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Common , give the guy a break,this make news because he is famous , the guys knows his limits and has enough hours and experience to know when to hang the headset..
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 11:43
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Originally Posted by baleares View Post
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52481858

Not to pick on him, but there is a time to consider whether you are safe for yourself and others.
I am a big fan of Harrison Ford but he does have form...…

I would not like to see him killed in a fatal accident, perhaps he should stick to flying the Millennium Falcon in Hyperspace or take a co-pilot with him, Chewbacca perhaps?
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 13:03
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He does seem to have had a few incidents these last few years, either he has been very unfortunate to have had these mishaps, or he's not as competent as one would hope.
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 14:39
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AFAIK the golf course accident did him credit. An engine failure after take off, and he put it down on the one open space for miles around.
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 15:35
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Here’s the more or less complete audio of the incident:
Seems like he kinda just dropped the ball.

There but for the grace of God...
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 16:08
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 16:22
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I don’t think a pile-on is called for...
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 16:39
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Non-standard clearance from the controller. He gave an instruction to hold short, which was followed. The he said “continue to hold short”. Unnecessary and left the door open for confirmation bias for a pilot awaiting a clearance to “continue”
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 20:36
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I don't know if the ATC "continue to Hold Short" was especially non-standard - but it was rushed and garbled. I hear "Cotiya(blah-blah)shortrnwy 25, traffic on runway." Controller must be practicing to get a promotion to JFK.

On the flip side, when it comes to ground clearances at a crossing, "trust but verify" and "look left, look right, look left again."
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 22:48
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Without the transcript available on the audio at post 7, there's no way I could be sure what the controller said at "continue holding". Extremely rushed.
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Old 1st May 2020, 01:26
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The controller was not rushed or garbled, especially for the busy LA Airspace. There is a requirement to read back which he did---he just got it wrong. The controller should have said "Stop" and he would have caught him before he crossed the line. Also, taxiway "Hotel" is at the departure end of the runway, so not like he crossed mid-way down-----not that it excuses it.
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Old 1st May 2020, 04:44
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I would imagine that Mr. Ford will be offered a 709 ride, and, should he feel up to it, he’ll probably do just fine.
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Old 1st May 2020, 06:09
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I think he's in the clear. Poor and unnecessary instructions from tower caused a misunderstanding. When he read back incorrectly tower didn't pick up on it and correct him. It takes two to communicate. All the tower had to say was 'roger'.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 03:01
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Unacceptable message. After several runs I could guess what he meant, but would not have crossed an active based on that garbled noise. It was a bit like listening to a Texas auctioneer on steroids

The ATP licence was a breeze, but despite years in Texas and Tennessee, I could often not get to grips with ATC. It's like nice people that get into cars and become maniacs. The bloke in the tower said, 'you need to listen up' in clear enough English. I could even understand TexMex, but I didn't understand that - perhaps partly because it wasn't necessary since it was so close in time to him confirming the hold. The logical reason for another transmission - so would be for something that had changed.

Then of course there's the situational awareness and the fact something was heading towards them.

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Old 2nd May 2020, 07:43
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Entirely the controllers fault. Harrison is holding at where he was instructed to hold and the next message comes in with "continue..... garble garble...." The correct phraseology would start the message with "maintain" not "continue." US ATC is not good IMO. Too much is left for misinterpretation. This is where UK ATC leads the world. Lessons were learned years ago and proper standard phraseology introduced that removed so much ambiguity. It has always amazed me why the Americans never learned these lessons, and why do all their controllers seem to sound like their ego is about to explode?
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Old 2nd May 2020, 16:20
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So after a few hours to contemplate this it is indefensible in my mind.... After being asked to hold at a crossing point the pilot is waiting and eager to continue to his final destination and the controller starts that message with the word "continue?" And then wonders why he.........continues? "Continue to hold????" Are you serious?
I do wonder just how many incidents/accidents go unreported in USA with the grand old "decend to..." Two is a number in aviation, yet USA ATC hang on with this despite all the errors reported wolrdwide over the years with it. The same with left and right. There is no left engine/right engine. Pilots, like everyone else don't know their left from right. It's number one and number two. Yet still the USA bulid aircraft with this labelling! And I won't even mention fire extinquisher for the "left engine" located on the "right side of the aircraft!" Are you [email protected]@king mental?

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Old 2nd May 2020, 22:53
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Standard clearances over here never say “hold at”, they will always reference what one is supposed to hold short of. For example taxi to runway 17 via delta, foxtrot Charlie, cross runway 9, hold short runway 23.

The phraseology is sort of counterintuitive because while one is cleared to the final location on the field, the ICAO requirement that only a single runway crossing can be cleared at a time requires a hard stop at the first hold short point.
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Old 3rd May 2020, 05:39
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Yes, although he made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs, it's time for him to step aside, and let Chewie finally upgrade.
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