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Old 21st Feb 2020, 12:20
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Oh ooooh

Worst year since the recession coming?

https://www.businessinsider.com/iata...20-2?r=US&IR=T
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 13:47
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A bit of detail from the link:
Flight cancellations caused by the coronavirus outbreak will likely lead the global air transport industry to shrink for the first time since the global financial crisis of 2008 and 2009, a trade group warned.

The International Air Transport Association, otherwise known as the IATA, said on Thursday that it expected to see global air-traffic demand fall about 4.7% from levels it previously predicted for 2020. That would represent a 0.6% global contraction in passenger demand for the year.

The bulk of that impact is expected within the Asia-Pacific region, where IATA said it forecasts a staggering 8.2% year-over-year reduction in demand. That translates to a $27.8 billion revenue loss — $12.8 billion within the China domestic market alone.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 15:26
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Unless the Coronavirus strikes hard in Europe, I can see demand for intra-European flights in the leisure sector rising, as will prices of course.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 15:58
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future is in fast railways. I hope airline industry will shrink again permanently. This constant growth comes with price too high.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 16:38
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future is in fast railways. I hope airline industry will shrink again permanently. This constant growth comes with price too high.
And how would that help? You can bring in viruses and diseases by train just as good as by air travel.
Also, the current railway system in Europe is way too underdeveloped to be a real alternative.
You‘d need more tracks, more stations, more energy etc. Environmentalists and climate fanatics would certainly again find something to take issue with. They will probably not shut up until travel in general will be reduced to pre-1950s level.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 16:55
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Originally Posted by AviatorDave View Post
And how would that help? You can bring in viruses and diseases by train just as good as by air travel.
Also, the current railway system in Europe is way too underdeveloped to be a real alternative.
You‘d need more tracks, more stations, more energy etc. Environmentalists and climate fanatics would certainly again find something to take issue with. They will probably not shut up until travel in general will be reduced to pre-1950s level.

Probably more like 1750's levels
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 17:40
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Thought this was going to be a thread about fireworks.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 19:11
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I wouldn't agree that the rail systems in Europe are poor.
There are high speed networks that criss cross the continent from the Benelux Countries through Germany to Poland and beyond.
The Spanish have really improved their system with direct trains to Barcelona from Paris - I did it last year.
In fact the worst part of the system was Southern France and the tube across London and Paris.

We should be investing more in the railways and being able to link more of the UK with High Speed Rail to Europe.
Why everyone wants to get treated like crap at the airport, ripped off for parking and baggage, then pay for express queue jumping to be then hit with French ATC delays.
I decided I wanted to put a bit more enjoyment into the travel experience, rather than rushing to get to the destination.
Watching the French and Spanish countryside wizz past getting pissed and eating cheese...
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 22:28
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Originally Posted by Spunky Monkey View Post
We should be investing more in the railways and being able to link more of the UK with High Speed Rail to Europe. Why everyone wants to get treated like crap at the airport, ripped off for parking and baggage, then pay for express queue jumping to be then hit with French ATC delays...
Errrr... I know everything is relative but given the last few months the delays/disruption on the French rail system make the ATC system looks positively efficient


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Old 22nd Feb 2020, 14:59
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There should be much more intraeuropean rail travel and less short haul flights, except to where the rail communications are poor. Price structures should make rail travel more appealing, so that the hassle of traipsing to and from airports plus security etc will be less appealing. Feeder flights for long haul would have more flexibility due to fewer slot restrictions.

The Coronavirus is already having effects on the supply chain to many companies around the world who have become reliant on the Chinese market for their product (all of them!). Inventories are dwindling fast due to the lag in supply. Things will recover, of that's there's no doubt. The Chinese are a resilient and proud lot, but until things are back to the new normal, some of us will go without certain things, or at least have problems getting them.
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Old 22nd Feb 2020, 15:50
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Originally Posted by Spunky Monkey View Post
... Watching the French and Spanish countryside wizz past getting pissed and eating cheese...
In the US "pissed" colloquially means "angry" to most people rather than "drunk." My initial image from your statement was therefore rather odd and amusing - someone angily eating cheese while looking out the window of a train. Took me a few seconds to realize that wasn't what you meant.
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Old 23rd Feb 2020, 10:54
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I*m off to Hamburg tomorrow, departing at 08:00 and arriving 08:55. Cost of the ticket was around 75 EUR.

If I wanted to do that by train, I'd have to leave at 20:00 the night before, wait 6 hours at a train station in the middle of nowhere, and would arrive at 09:00. The cost would be 100 EUR in 2nd class, or 135 in 1st.

The alternative would, of course, be to travel even earlier the evening before and spend a night in a hotel, further increasing the cost and removing time at home with the family.

It's not that it's impossible, just utterly impractical and much more expensive. Which, effectively, means it is indeed an impossible choice to make.
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Old 23rd Feb 2020, 16:37
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It's not that it's impossible, just utterly impractical and much more expensive. Which, effectively, means it is indeed an impossible choice to make
And how much of that is due to the various subsidies given to aviation and the opposite in the form of cuts given to the railways?

How much do airlines pay for the FAA, or similar organisations?
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Old 23rd Feb 2020, 18:46
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Originally Posted by Dave Therhino View Post
In the US "pissed" colloquially means "angry" to most people rather than "drunk." My initial image from your statement was therefore rather odd and amusing - someone angily eating cheese while looking out the window of a train. Took me a few seconds to realize that wasn't what you meant.
Actually in North America it is generally accepted as both meanings. Although the angry meaning would more generally be “pissed off” rather than pissed. I was “pissed last night” would normally be taken to mean drunk.
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Old 23rd Feb 2020, 19:19
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Drama Darling Drama!!! Fashion shows in Milan disrupted due to the Coronavirus outbreak in the outlying areas of Lombardy. Actually a wise move to limit congregations spreading the virus, but it will affect the process of fashion items getting to market, albeit a smaller slice of the public. I read today that Samsung have temporarily shuttered one of their main facilities due to the outbreak there in South Korea.
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