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Old 16th Dec 2021, 16:36
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I am surprised that there isn't a short triage/mask desk at the entrance to every large shop in the UK. Anyone without challenged to either wear a mask or show an official exemptiom before entering said premises. There are still lots of kids (teenagers) without masks on public transport etc. Yesterday I needed to go into Central London for a Hospital Appt, the tube was 3/4's full (so much for WFH!) and perhaps 20% without masks, and around the hospital was a booster jab queue of epic proportions many with, but not wearing masks. Perhaps understandable as they needed 4hrs to get to the front of the line. Inside the hospital I saw staff not wearing masks which made me wonder, although it has to be said the vast majority were. The tube ride home a bit later was a sardine tin experience and here again there were plenty not wearing a mask.....You'd have thought that the selfish gene would make people be more cautious so as to not risk isolation over the xmas period, but apparently not!
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Old 16th Dec 2021, 17:18
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London has a relatively low vaccination rate. Diversity has it's price.
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Old 16th Dec 2021, 17:36
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
I am surprised that there isn't a short triage/mask desk at the entrance to every large shop in the UK. Anyone without challenged to either wear a mask or show an official exemptiom before entering said premises. There are still lots of kids (teenagers) without masks on public transport etc. Yesterday I needed to go into Central London for a Hospital Appt, the tube was 3/4's full (so much for WFH!) and perhaps 20% without masks, and around the hospital was a booster jab queue of epic proportions many with, but not wearing masks. Perhaps understandable as they needed 4hrs to get to the front of the line. Inside the hospital I saw staff not wearing masks which made me wonder, although it has to be said the vast majority were. The tube ride home a bit later was a sardine tin experience and here again there were plenty not wearing a mask.....You'd have thought that the selfish gene would make people be more cautious so as to not risk isolation over the xmas period, but apparently not!
Shop assistants, even in London, aren't paid enough to be subjected to the resulting aggro.
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Old 16th Dec 2021, 18:00
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Shop assistants, even in London, aren't paid enough to be subjected to the resulting aggro.
You say that, and I would agree to some extent. However the number of ignorant, selfish people appears to be comparatively small, probably around 10 or so percent and as retailers have a duty of care to both staff and customers training some up in each shop to challenge nonconnformers. Otherwise employ security.

When all said and done retailers challenge shoplifters, so they should equally challenge mask refuseniks.
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Old 16th Dec 2021, 19:41
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Anybody taking their medical advice from rock stars...
Hopefully not. I expect it's the folks who are a bit sceptical towards medical advice, or possibly by now 'fed up' with it, who are more likely to seek alternative input.

The latter point is now becoming a serious hazard outwith the usual Tory CRG blowhards. Joe & Joan Public are reaching their limit, judging by radio phone-in callers recently. Of course, the virus doesn't care about this. So our leaders really need to demonstrate that they do.
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Old 16th Dec 2021, 21:47
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No jab for me. Of people i know one had jab then stroke, another 1st jab then blood clot, lucky to survive, then he had 2nd jab, now has heart problems.
Another had jab, then covid. Few days later heart attack, coma then died. Others feeling ill for between two days and a week after jab.
Me i had covid last year, mild cough, dry sinus , fatigue like jet lag for two days, loss of smell 3 months. The 4 colds in that period were worse.
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Old 16th Dec 2021, 22:07
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How many people do you know who had the jab then notihing?
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Old 17th Dec 2021, 07:14
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How many people do you know who had the jab then notihing?
Yeah. I had both jabs - then nothing - no COVID at all. Despite spending many days visiting someone in a hospital where there was COVID on the ward - and spending a week in a house with someone who had COVID.

Nothing - doing lateral flows every day - and they kept coming up with nothing.

It's almost like the jab - shock - works!

P.S. Shortly after my second jab I did get an engine warning light come on in my car - and had to spend a fortune replacing some sensor thingy.
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Old 17th Dec 2021, 07:42
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How many people do you know who had the jab then notihing?
My wife and I have both had three shots each. Accoding to Bob we should both be dead by now !
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Old 17th Dec 2021, 07:49
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
More anecdotal experience....drove past the local tram park-and-ride carpark this morning, appeared about as well patronised as before the government "work from home" advice. It would appear that around these parts that advice has been roundly ignored. Went into Lidl, all staff masked up, however far too many customers didn't appear to have heard that mask wearing isn't optional, it's the law. I felt like going up to one of them, lowering my mask, and saying "do you realise I wear this for your protection, and I might have covid, as might you". I decided that probably wasn't a wise thing to do though!

The sheer selfishness and / ignorance of some members of society is breath-taking.
Plan B really is a lame duck. Those companies that want to look after their staff have already been encouraging staff to work from home if possible. Those that haven’t aren’t going to start just because of guidance.

Latest poll shows 60% of the public in favour of a pre Christmas lockdown “circuit breaker”. Seems familiar BJ being led instead of leading.
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Old 17th Dec 2021, 07:59
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P.S. Shortly after my second jab I did get an engine warning light come on in my car - and had to spend a fortune replacing some sensor thingy.[/QUOTE]

That's interesting, the same happened to me. Was your jab AZ? Surely we should be told.
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Old 17th Dec 2021, 08:05
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The statistics make the odds very clear, unless you are a child the risk from covid is vastly greater than the risk from vaccination. However people don't think that way, they tend to be swayed by imagination and lurid examples. I smoke 20 cigs a day so I am (currently) living proof of how facts don't always dictate behaviour.
Oh, and bear in mind that around half the population is below average intelligence 😁.
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Old 17th Dec 2021, 08:46
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Watching a piece of BBC Breakfast this morning with a Crystal Palace chairman I was staggered to learn that 25% of players in the English Football League are apparently unvaccinated. Surely with the players working in close proximity to each other, and even if there is no physical contact between each other in training sessions there most certainly is in match situations clubs should be putting heavy pressure on those refuseniks to get vaccinated or face sanctions, such as remaining on the books but not playing, or being moved on in the next transfer window.

The governing bodies FA or Football League, and at international level UEFA and FIFA to ensure there is zero tolerance of unvaccinated players. They are high profile, often well paid role models in society and should be setting an example not giving poor guidance to easily lead young supporters.
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Old 17th Dec 2021, 08:49
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There will always be anecdotal evidence of people who became ill after the jab. Even the ancient Romans understood that - post hoc ergo ...
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Old 17th Dec 2021, 09:43
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None of my close friends and family have refused the jabs and no one had anything more serious than feeling slightly rough for a few hours afterwards. I got the shivers late in the afternoon two days after my booster, back to normal by bed time. None have had Covid (or were aware if they did) since being vaccinated, though a couple of mates' wives have tested positive by LFT in the last several days but don't seem to have much in the way of symptoms. Haven't heard yet if they subsequently had a PCR test...

Incidentally, I believe that birth control pills, cocaine and vanity plastic surgery each have the potential to cause blood clots/strokes - wonder how many people who indulge themselves have refused to be vaccinated because of the tiny risk of a blood clot.
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Old 17th Dec 2021, 09:46
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
I am surprised that there isn't a short triage/mask desk at the entrance to every large shop in the UK. Anyone without challenged to either wear a mask or show an official exemptiom before entering said premises. There are still lots of kids (teenagers) without masks on public transport etc. Yesterday I needed to go into Central London for a Hospital Appt, the tube was 3/4's full (so much for WFH!) and perhaps 20% without masks, and around the hospital was a booster jab queue of epic proportions many with, but not wearing masks. Perhaps understandable as they needed 4hrs to get to the front of the line. Inside the hospital I saw staff not wearing masks which made me wonder, although it has to be said the vast majority were. The tube ride home a bit later was a sardine tin experience and here again there were plenty not wearing a mask.....You'd have thought that the selfish gene would make people be more cautious so as to not risk isolation over the xmas period, but apparently not!
makes me wonder why you used the tube
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Old 17th Dec 2021, 09:48
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
You say that, and I would agree to some extent. However the number of ignorant, selfish people appears to be comparatively small, probably around 10 or so percent and as retailers have a duty of care to both staff and customers training some up in each shop to challenge nonconnformers. Otherwise employ security.

When all said and done retailers challenge shoplifters, so they should equally challenge mask refuseniks.

sadly, most shops DON'T challenge shoplifters, it's a remarkably dangerous thing to do. Shop staff that I know have been given specific instructions, for their own safety, to NOT challenge people who don't wear masks.
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Old 17th Dec 2021, 09:49
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
How many people do you know who had the jab then notihing?
discounting the sore arm, nobody I know has had any adverse reaction to the vaccine(s)
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Old 17th Dec 2021, 10:44
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Originally Posted by golfbananajam View Post
makes me wonder why you used the tube
I'm assuming you don't live in or around London. Travelling in London, especially the inner parts is challenging, especially if time challenged. The newly introduced ULEZ zone (in full) has seemingly not reduced traffic which holds up both buses and taxis. Cycling and walking is doable, but distance, weather plus circumstances dictate when and where. The tubes and overground trains are generally the most reliable and speedy ways to travel, but can be crowded at certain times. If people are wearing masks it's fine, buses are worse as the upper deck becomes a mask-free zone. Even Uber cars (and similar) are a danger as the previous passengers might have been shedding viral particles. My personal situation made travelling on the tube a necessity.
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Old 17th Dec 2021, 11:21
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No reaction after any jab here, me and the wife. Have spoken to a couple of people who felt rough for a day or two after the booster, these were both 2 astra followed by the pfizer booster, could be coincidental of course as wife had astra first too but no reaction.
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