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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 23:27
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There are some good articles in the current issue of The Conversation which could start a number of threads.. The articles are too long to cut and paste using my tablet. Enjoy.

1. The possible impact of rising numbers of the Beta variant in popular overseas holiday destinations.

Beta variant surging in Europe, should UK be worried?

2. A look at how the pandemic may progress in the UK. Contains an insight into the modelling process and links to modelling sites. (Maths Waring!)

Falling Covid cases, what could happen next

3. And finally, a look at the post pandemic political fallout. Unfortunately, there is no spoiler alert.

Post pandemic voting behaviour

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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 02:07
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Originally Posted by MikeSnow View Post
Considering this "relatively good news", do you now agree the US didn't need actually need to stop all those immigrants coming over the southern border to control this pandemic?

Mike,

Want me to spell it out very slowly for you so you can understand the concept?

The Southern Border Crisis is real no matter how the American Media and the current Administration is denying it.

If opening up the Airports to travelers who have been tested and vaccinated has been an issue to include requiring quarantines.....why in the world can you you not grasp turning almost a Million untested and unvaccinated persons loose into the Country can be anything but a completely wrong decision.

In the past couple of days we have seen drone video of a thousand people crammed together under the Bridge in Mission, Texas....and in the linked article there is a video of a Holding Pod....look at that vide very carefully.....remember they are mostly untested and unvaccinated people....about 700 of them in a Pod designed for less than one hundred.

After being held in those conditions would you turn them loose to be scattered throughout out the Country without any concern they might just be infected and thus being a new source of infections in the Country?

So....my position....HELL NO....I would not turn them loose inside this Country.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...idge-fenced-in

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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 10:24
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
I do not subscribe to a Cable TV service so I am not a follower of Fox News....there are better sources available to me through my past employment in Federal Law Enforcement and the Associations and related groups I of which I am a member.
It really doesn't matter if you watch Fox News or not, you're peddling the same nonsense. I doubt anyone on this thread is arguing that it's a good idea to let unvaccinated illegal immigrants loose in the US, that is your own straw man construction. Seriously, who cares if you were in federal law enforcement or a member of associations, or related groups, whatever they are? Legal or illegal immigration on the US southern border is not driving the current surge in COVID infections in the US and around the world. What is clear is that getting as many people vaccinated as possible is the way to end the pandemic - you even hinted at it yourself when you wrote "remember they are mostly untested and unvaccinated people". If that's not what you think, well, then I think you just contradicted yourself.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 10:30
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
So....my position....HELL NO....I would not turn them loose inside this Country.
What about unvaccinated Americans? There are lots more of them than immigrants at the southern border.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 13:45
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Ninthhace,

I ran across this article a few minutes ago.

You must recall the accusations hurled about at certain people for suggesting existing medications already approved by the FDA and used for treatments not related to Covid might be useful.

We saw media articles and commentary ridiculing that notion.

Then....this article in Virology Journal from years back appears which directly challenges that commentary.

How is it Fauci et al forgot all about this article and took a diametrically different view the position reported in the article?

Any ideas on the patently clear difference between then and last year?

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/...1743-422X-2-69


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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 14:07
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Ninthhace,

I ran across this article a few minutes ago.

You must recall the accusations hurled about at certain people for suggesting existing medications already approved by the FDA and used for treatments not related to Covid might be useful.

We saw media articles and commentary ridiculing that notion.

Then....this article in Virology Journal from years back appears which directly challenges that commentary.

How is it Fauci et al forgot all about this article and took a diametrically different view the position reported in the article?

Any ideas on the patently clear difference between then and last year?

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/...1743-422X-2-69
Apologies if I misunderstand your post, but are you claiming the current virus is exactly the same as the one in 2005?
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 15:41
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I was about to make the same point. Either that or the wicked Fauci kept the existence of Cov-19 secret for 14 years as part of Liberal Plot to undermine the Great Pumpkin.

It is called Covid-19 for a reason SASless and the clinical trials backed Fauci up.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 16:01
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For completeness. This is the last time I do your homework for you SASless

FDA Cautions Against Use Outside of the Hospital Setting or a Clinical Tria

Update: FDA Revokes Emergency Use Authorization for Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine

Why you should not believe anything Trump tells you

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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 16:39
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Ninthhace,

I ran across this article a few minutes ago.

You must recall the accusations hurled about at certain people for suggesting existing medications already approved by the FDA and used for treatments not related to Covid might be useful.

We saw media articles and commentary ridiculing that notion.

Then....this article in Virology Journal from years back appears which directly challenges that commentary.

How is it Fauci et al forgot all about this article and took a diametrically different view the position reported in the article?

Any ideas on the patently clear difference between then and last year?

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/...1743-422X-2-69
I have form on this subject, some 8,500 odd postings back I expressed cautious optimism about the potential role of chloroquine in the treatment of covid on the basis of an even earlier 2003 paper.
Coronavirus: The Thread

Then, and since, a lot of people have expressed views about the "off-licence" use of existing drugs in the for the treatment of covid. Their obvious advantage is that they can be used (at approved dosages) without delay, and are often both readily available and cheap. Points often mentioned by the authors of research papers and clinical trials.

My memory is that any disapproval has related to questions as the the effectiveness of specific drugs to treat covid (or even the possibility of them making matters worse). There were for example concerns that that the immunosuppressant actions of steroids would make matters worse. A legitimate concern, convincingly disproved in clinical trials.

There were also some suggested treatments strongly pushed without any apparent scientific support.

Your paper, and the one I read, seemed to show that chloroquine showed promise in the treatment of SARS infections (now know as SARS-CoV).

Fauci's silence may be because our current pandemic is due to a different virus SARS-CoV-2. (Regrettably the nomenclature is both confusing and subject to change.)



I was interested because the 2003 paper suggested that chloroquine might reduce the severity of cytokine storms, which are a feature of [some?] severe covid infections. AFAIK clinical trials of chloroquine on covid patients did not produce any encouraging findings.



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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 16:43
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This "Covid-infested illegal immigrant" thing is an idiotic and thinly veiled line from Alt-Reich HQ. Farage and his ilk have been peddling this nonsense for over a year now (whilst simultaneously claiming, without any self awareness or hint of irony, that Covid is no worse than seasonal flu...). They will reach for literally any stick to beat these unfortunates.

Have to say this thread has taken a turn for the worse with the reappearance of a certain contributor.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 16:48
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Scotland relaxes most covid-19 restrictions

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58057380

Far more nuanced and sensible than the English "Freedom Day" nonsense. Good to see that, as in other European countries, masks are to remain for secondary school pupils into the Autumn term and that masks will still be required on public transport and shops. A much more sensible approach than Johnson's.

New case figures in UK are still going in the right direction, but you have to ask how much lower they would have been if Johnson hadn't been so gung-ho.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 16:50
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
NHS App being modified.

https://order-order.com/2021/08/02/n...olation-pings/

News just in from the Department for Health who have finally decided to tweak the NHS Covid app to reduce the state of the ping-demic. Unlike what was floated a few weeks ago, the sensitivity hasnít been changed, however the number of days close contacts are counted for has been reduced:

Currently, for people who input a positive test but are asymptomatic, the app looks for close contacts five days prior to a positive test. This will be updated based on public health advice to look back at contacts two days prior to a positive test.

The change will mean fewer contacts that took place when the positive case was unlikely to be at the peak of their infectiousness are advised to self-isolate, reducing the overall number of notifications sent by the app.

This update does not impact the sensitivity of the app, or change the risk threshold, and will result in the same number of high-risk contacts being advised to self-isolate.
Alas this is too late for the two million+ people who've uninstalled the app. Odds on them reinstalling the app based on this news?

The Govt really need to get ahead of the curve on this otherwise they'll lose a very useful weapon in our fight against Covid.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 16:54
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
This "Covid-infested illegal immigrant" thing is an idiotic and thinly veiled line from Alt-Reich HQ. Farage and his ilk have been peddling this nonsense for over a year now (whilst simultaneously claiming, without any self awareness or hint of irony, that Covid is no worse than seasonal flu...). They will reach for literally any stick to beat these unfortunates.

Have to say this thread has taken a turn for the worse with the reappearance of a certain contributor.
I agree, however many illegal immigrants there might be in USA, UK, France, Greece, Australia - wherever actually, they account for but a tiny percentage of the problem, even if 100% of them were infected in any country or territory. It's just opportunist extreme right-wing, racist baloney and it is questionable as to whether it wouldn't be better suited to the USA and / or UK Politics threads. The European football championships, and exuberant students in the Balearic Islands are probably much more dangerous in terms of spreading Covid-19 among the population at large but never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 17:13
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Even more crudely. Are the hospitals where the immigrants are gathering near collapse? Perhaps someone could find out? Admissions in the Dunkirk/Calais region.for example.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 19:40
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
Even more crudely. Are the hospitals where the immigrants are gathering near collapse? Perhaps someone could find out? Admissions in the Dunkirk/Calais region.for example.


Can’t be bothered to try and find out individual hospital stats but the departments “up north” are on the whole doing OK…for example here are the stats, including the overall hospital numbers, for Pas-de-Calais (62)

https://covidtracker.fr/dashboard-departements/?dep=62


It’s us down south who are being clobbered, ATM, probably due to all those Parisians coming down here on holiday and bringing the bug with them..
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 20:22
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Peter H,

Thank you for that answer....that was useful information.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 20:24
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post


Canít be bothered to try and find out individual hospital stats but the departments ďup northĒ are on the whole doing OKÖfor example here are the stats, including the overall hospital numbers, for Pas-de-Calais (62)

https://covidtracker.fr/dashboard-departements/?dep=62


Itís us down south who are being clobbered, ATM, probably due to all those Parisians coming down here on holiday and bringing the bug with them..
Same here in the SW of England, plus an influx of young seasonal workers to serve the tourist trade so pubs and restaurants are opening and closing all the time as they get pinged. Still, got to keep those immigrants out, eh?

Funny thing is that Dover and the coastal area around it are no worse or slightly better than other areas. Never let the facts get in the way of a good scare though.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 00:36
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Hot off the presses at the US CDC today.....the CDC issued an Order that puts a ban on Evictions of Occupants failing to pay Rent citing the risk to the community to have infected persons entering the public community as a result of being evicted.

Meanwhile down on the border with old Mexico....The CBP and DHS are providing people with air and bus tickets to facilitate their travel through the country.

They are also being givien Cell Phones so they can be maintain contact re their future Court Appearances that have yet not been scheduled.

Seems a direct t contradiction in the two policies of the same Federal Government?

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...ion-order.html

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Old 4th Aug 2021, 01:48
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Looks like the Governor of Texas policies may be contributing to the spread of Covid, rather than immigrants. See towards the end of the article.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/texas-...-greg-n1275517
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As to MSNBC I would trust week old convenience store Sushi long before I would MSNBC.

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