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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 09:56
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
Makes it sound like there are thousands of them.....there won't be. Also have to mention "co-morbidities" It is all part of the propaganda war being waged on unsuspecting public......
Have the goats let you out to play again? That's nice.

Please read right through the article in post #16535. How many Covid deaths does it say there have been in Alabama? Please come back and post it here for us to read. Tell us also the proportion of unvaccinated people in the state and then tell us how many people you think will have died unvaccinated (show working).

Now read it again and tell us how often the expression co-morbidities appears and article that too. Then give us the authority from which you speak.

Finally, please explain why. in your eyes. it is alright to catch Covid and die if you already have a condition that makes you sick but has not killed you.
Could you also vouchsafe to your viewing public how an article written for an Alabama newspaper is Government Propaganda?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:10
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Lovely bedside manner from Dr Cobia. Rather than telling a dying patient, “It’s too late” How about, “We’re going to try xyz”?


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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:24
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Originally Posted by BWSBoy6 View Post
No. you’re wrong. Covid trumps absolutely everything. We can’t think about the future. We have to stop it now. Nothing else matters. We have to save everyone. As long as there’s is selfish, irresponsible people thinking life goes on, we are all in danger.
Not wrong, yes I do have a different opinion.... The "future" holds many other events and situations besides a troublesome virus.
""We have to stop it now"" That is not going to happen. The best we can achieve is some measure of control. The rest we have to live with, as we do cancer and a multitude of diseases.
""We have to save everyone."" Again this is not going to happen: you make it sound as though you are going to eliminate death. PEOPLE DIE, it is a fact of life. I will die so will you. In the years before March 20. about 550000 people died in Britain every year....no attempt was made to "save" all of them... Life and death go on... Trying to blame it all on ""selfish, irresponsible people thinking life goes on"" is just facile......

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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:34
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Originally Posted by BWSBoy6 View Post
No. you’re wrong. Covid trumps absolutely everything. We can’t think about the future. We have to stop it now. Nothing else matters. We have to save everyone. As long as there’s is selfish, irresponsible people thinking life goes on, we are all in danger.
We cannot "stop" it now.
What has been done is to minimise the fatality rate, and reduce the pressure on the NHS. The idea of saving everyone is pure nonsense.
Making fully vaccinated people, who test negative, isolate for 10 days will cause more long term harm than allowing them to go about their daily business.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:34
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There is a world of difference between unfortunate deaths from illness (regrettable but not preventable) and needless deaths as in deaths that could be prevented. If you saw someone about to swig poison, would you shrug and say "their choice" or would you knock it out of their hands?
Now back to #16538
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:43
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
Have the goats let you out to play again? That's nice.
Please read right through the article in post #16535. ?
Not sure what goats have to do with it....???!!
I have read through the article. Some people were not vaccinated so it is assumed they died of the virus.
Many people will be aware of the vaccination programme and have decided to participate. If you have mental capacity and make a valid choice that is up to you...There will of course be those who are unaware of the programme and those who do not have "mental capacity".....
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:46
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Meanwhile, I see the UK press are encouraging us to panic buy again, by showing us pictures of empty shelves and urging us not to panic buy.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:54
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
Meanwhile, I see the UK press are encouraging us to panic buy again, by showing us pictures of empty shelves and urging us not to panic buy.
Certainly would not want to be without a free press/media but they can be irresponsible. Of course, we the great British public do not have to go out and spend out money. Starving to death in Britain is an unlikely prospect....!!
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 11:14
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Seems to be the season for Pingholidays, OK if you get paid to be off.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 11:18
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Originally Posted by wowzz View Post
We cannot "stop" it now.
What has been done is to minimise the fatality rate, and reduce the pressure on the NHS. The idea of saving everyone is pure nonsense.
Making fully vaccinated people, who test negative, isolate for 10 days will cause more long term harm than allowing them to go about their daily business.
But what about all the old people and the vulnerable ones? Sometimes the vaccine doesn’t work and then more people will die! It seems like no one cares. All these irresponsible youngsters who just want to have a normal life. How inconsiderate they are, what about retired people? Even one death is one too many. I can’t even go on my Saga holiday because of these youths partying all the time!
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 11:29
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If you saw someone about to swig poison, would you shrug and say "their choice" or would you knock it out of their hands?
You must be popular down the pub…..
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 11:38
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
Not sure what goats have to do with it....???!!
I have read through the article. Some people were not vaccinated so it is assumed they died of the virus.
Many people will be aware of the vaccination programme and have decided to participate. If you have mental capacity and make a valid choice that is up to you...There will of course be those who are unaware of the programme and those who do not have "mental capacity".....
I see you failed to answer any of my questions. Maths not up to it or too embarrassed to reply? Best pop back under your bridge or the goats will be lonely
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 11:48
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
I see you failed to answer any of my questions. Maths not up to it or too embarrassed to reply? Best pop back under your bridge or the goats will be lonely
What have bridges and goats got to do with this...?? Not in the least embarrassed, why would I be....?? Yes, I did give you a response.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 12:00
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
Meanwhile, I see the UK press are encouraging us to panic buy again, by showing us pictures of empty shelves and urging us not to panic buy.
Well, they can't scare us with covid deaths - so what's a newspaper to do?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 12:15
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Originally Posted by BWSBoy6 View Post
No. you’re wrong. Covid trumps absolutely everything. We can’t think about the future. We have to stop it now. Nothing else matters. We have to save everyone. As long as there’s is selfish, irresponsible people thinking life goes on, we are all in danger.
Actually no it doesn’t, as others have said it’s a balancing act, other things do matter.

If you/we want society to keep functioning there have been exceptions for certain lines of work in certain circumstances, just as there have been exemptions for some to some inbound quarantine measures to ensure essential supplies such as PPE, vaccines, food etc get into the country and things like the lights stay on…….

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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 12:24
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“It’s too late”
To paraphrase a well respected doctor on community radio "You can't insure a burning house."

I see that even after 16 months into this crisis most media talking heads are still setting a fine example by not wearing masks.
To paraphrase the same doctor above "Leave a small crack in the science and the sceptics will drive a truck through it."

Smoking, alcohol, poor diet still kill more people than Covid-19. We still know very little about this viral disease.

Same doctor above interviewed the director of the documentary in the link below on his radio show. An engaging piece about beating Covid-19 that is more science than hype (although now a few months out of date) with several real world stories of Covid-19 victims, an interview with the great Professor Peter Doherty, and offers an understanding why medicine moves so slow. Thoroughly recommended.
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/cracking-covid

And what's the current stance for those that have caught the virus and recovered, do they still need the vaccination? I keep hearing conflicting information. Is there a ready test for Covid-19 antibodies or does it involve a lengthy analysis?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 12:31
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Originally Posted by cattletruck View Post
And what's the current stance for those that have caught the virus and recovered, do they still need the vaccination? I keep hearing conflicting information. Is there a ready test for Covid-19 antibodies or does it involve a lengthy analysis?
Yes, Yes, No.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 12:36
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Yes, Yes, No.
Can you elaborate?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 12:47
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Originally Posted by cattletruck View Post
Can you elaborate?
And what's the current stance for those that have caught the virus and recovered, do they still need the vaccination? Yes
Is there a ready test for Covid-19 antibodies? Yes
Does it involve a lengthy analysis? No

Do you need more?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 12:49
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Even if you were unfortunate to get COVID, if you survived then getting vaccinated will likely improve your chances of surviving exposure to the virus again. So that's a Yes. There is a quick test for antibodies, so that's a Yes, and it doesn't involve a lengthy analysis, so that's a No.

HTH.
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