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Old 1st Feb 2020, 08:53
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The size of the city populations in China is staggering. I mean, we talk about London being a major city with about 7 million, but how many has even heard about Wuhan before this crisis with 11 million?

Even if the figure goes up to 700,000 infected that’s still only about 6% of the population, and more than 14,000 deaths expected.
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 09:35
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The size of the city populations in China is staggering. I mean, we talk about London being a major city with about 7 million, but how many has even heard about Wuhan before this crisis with 11 million?

Even if the figure goes up to 700,000 infected thatís still only about 6% of the population, and more than 14,000 deaths expected.

A friend's wife is Chinese, and she said that one of the things she most noticed when she moved to the UK was how few people there were around. They live on the outskirts of Salisbury, and there are times when I think Salisbury is uncomfortably crowded with people, but she feels more at home when the place is busy.

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Old 1st Feb 2020, 11:06
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It was good to see that the British nationals returning to the UK were transported to the Wirral in four coaches owned by Horseman.
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 12:23
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It was good to see that the British nationals returning to the UK were transported to the Wirral in four coaches owned by Horseman.
I made that connection as well! The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse ;-)
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 12:39
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Just received on my phone:
" There is no-one who is infected coming to Merseyside. Anyone who shows any symptoms whatsoever will not be allowed on the plane.
These are British citizens being brought home.
Liverpool has been at the forefront of tropical medicine and infectious diseases for over 100 years.
This is not a conspiracy.
This is not a plot by the government to kill us all off.
This is not a plot by the FA to stop Liverpool winning the Premier League. It is the best and only scenario to bring people home and to keep anything untoward contained.
Now share this instead of all the doom and gloom posts.
And if you want to know where the quarantine facility is.....
It's Everton's Trophy Room....Nothing ever gets in there"
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 13:00
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The size of the city populations in China is staggering
About 12 years ago we were on a cruise in China. We finished the cruise in Chongqing. Having never heard of the city I asked the barman (Willie Wu Ching - excellent bloke) about it. He said that his mother lived there "A medium sized city of about 32 million !!!"

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Old 1st Feb 2020, 19:10
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Apart from the virus, how does the public life work in these cities with everything closed? Are supermarkets opening and restocked? Can people just stay at home for longer or what is needed to keep the average people from hunger and such?
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 20:44
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Apart from the virus, how does the public life work in these cities with everything closed? Are supermarkets opening and restocked? Can people just stay at home for longer or what is needed to keep the average people from hunger and such?
Very little in this regard is getting out through the media from China (everything under control)

Let me know when the rumors start that they are eating their children
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 21:41
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I have seen a recent photo of dead cats lying on the street that were thrown out of high rise apartments because panicked people feared their cats might infect them.
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I have seen a recent photo of dead cats lying on the street that were thrown out of high rise apartments because panicked people feared their cats might infect them.
The cat would have survived the fall

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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 03:21
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Unless it was tied to a toaster...
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 03:39
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...tain-vwdlw05km

Coronavirus: 480 travellers from Wuhan are at large in Britain

A scramble to trace 480 travellers from Wuhan is under way as an advertising blitz on how to slow the spread of the coronavirus, which has infected 12,000 people globally and killed 294, begins.

Matt Hancock, the health secretary, said: “Our clinicians are working round the clock to prevent the spread of coronavirus in the UK. We can all play our part.” Britain will be told to use tissues to catch coughs or sneezes and to wash hands regularly.

The move follows confirmation that two people who arrived from Wuhan, in central China, had fallen ill with the virus. One was identified as a York University student. Public Health England said anyone who had spent more than 15 minutes within 6ft of either patient would receive advice.

Nine days ago officials began trying to trace 1,561 recent arrivals from Wuhan, the city of 11 million at the centre of the outbreak. Of those, 480 are still untraced. It can take two to 14 days for symptoms to emerge.

An Oxford University analysis published yesterday said Britain could face a serious outbreak unless it did far better than China at spotting people with the infection. In China, half of those with symptoms were sent to hospital within a day, but others mixed with family and colleagues for up to 12 days.

In the UK, GPs have been told how to clean waiting rooms amid fears that worried patients are arriving at surgeries instead of following official advice to call 111......
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:"A man has died of the coronavirus in the Philippines in the virus's first confirmed fatality outside China.
The patient was a 44-year-old Chinese man from Wuhan, in Hubei province, where the virus was first detected.
He appeared to have been infected before arriving in the Philippines, the World Health Organization said.
The man travelled to the Philippines from Wuhan, via Hong Kong, with a 38-year-old Chinese woman who also tested positive for the virus last week, the Philippines Department of Health said.
Officials said he was admitted to a hospital in the capital, Manila, and then developed severe pneumonia.

Rabindra Abeyasinghe, the WHO representative to the Philippines, urged people to remain calm: "This is the first reported death outside China. However, we need to take into mind that this is not a locally acquired case. This patient came from the epicentre of this outbreak."
According to local news outlet Rappler, Health Secretary Francisco Duque III said the patient was "stable and showed signs of improvement", but his condition deteriorated rapidly over 24 hours.

The Department of Health was now trying to track down people who were on the same flight as the man so that they can be quarantined, he said, as well as any other people the man and woman may have come into contact with, such as hotel staff.
The man's death was confirmed shortly after the Philippines announced it would also immediately halt the arrivals of any foreign travellers from China.It had previously restricted only those from Hubei, which is at the epicentre of the outbreak." bbc

It was reported that one of those evacuated by the US had tried to walk away from arrival quarantine.
The UK is trying to track down 480 previously arrived from China and now in the wind.


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The other day on a Japanese news channel a reporter was interviewing some Chinese tourists. One young woman said she had been wondering how to avoid the WURS outbreak in the approach to the New Year's holiday, and had suddenly decided to jump on a tour to Japan where she reckoned she would be safer either way.
You can't really fault anyone with the wherewithal for thinking this way.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 07:30
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We've heard about how the virus has/is spreading, we've heard that there have been deaths and that the numbers in the affected areas of China have been vastly underreported, but we don't seem to have heard anything about all the people who have contracted the virus, experienced symptoms and have recovered, as one would after a dose of the flu. Perhaps I've missed these reports ?

I did see a twitter feed from a virologist who was making the claim that there are several HIV components within the virus, which might suggest that the virus was man-made, rather than a species-jump. There were reports of a research laboratory in Wuhan that might have had a breech a few weeks ago. Who knows, but interesting all the same.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 07:57
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I was recently Whatsapped a couple of pictures, allegedly showing bats on the menu, already cooked ready for troughing, in Wuhan along with rumours that this was how the outbreak started.
I wonder why the government is looking for only 480 people? China Southern flies a 787 every other day direct from Wuhan to Heathrow. Given the virus outbreak was first noted in December, there should be an awful lot more than 480 people involved.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 07:57
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
We've heard about how the virus has/is spreading, we've heard that there have been deaths and that the numbers in the affected areas of China have been vastly underreported, but we don't seem to have heard anything about all the people who have contracted the virus, experienced symptoms and have recovered, as one would after a dose of the flu. Perhaps I've missed these reports ?

Apparently you have. There is no attempt to conceal such basics of the virus. Take a look here, this answers those questions.

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I did see a twitter feed from a virologist who was making the claim that there are several HIV components within the virus, which might suggest that the virus was man-made, rather than a species-jump. There were reports of a research laboratory in Wuhan that might have had a breech a few weeks ago. Who knows, but interesting all the same.


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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 08:39
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There seems to be a massive amount of false information and fake news spreading on social media (including this forum) about this virus. The BBC (themselves not immune from spreading fake news) have this article on it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51337357

I think one conclusion we can draw is probably to be suspicious about any story spread via social media, unless the source data has been confirmed to be reasonably reliable by cross checking.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 09:06
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Yes, it's bizarre how some people seem to get a kick out of starting a completely false story and seeing if it will run. Witness the strange people who post pictures and video alleged to show a high profile plane crash, but patently false, and causing huge distress and confusion.
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