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Old 4th Mar 2020, 06:05
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Fifteen Italian citizens test positive in India

In India, fifteen Italian citizens have tested positive for coronavirus, Indian state and private media said on Wednesday, citing unidentified sources. Reuters reports that on Monday, an Italian citizen tested positive in the state of Rajasthan, according to a health official.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 07:27
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
All that said, I will abandon our cruise to Italy next month. While I consider my personal risk at possibly 10%, I do not want to be in isolation on a cruise ship, in a cabin, for two weeks.
Now there's a truly noble act of self sacrifice if ever there was one. How about a caravan park holiday in lieu ?.....like we do. They are very comfortable and...you get to meet a range of people.

As for the virus and the impact it is having. For the UK media, and doubtless across the globe, the virus is a gift for generating sensationalist / alarmist headlines.

Which is a serious concern.

Populations are easily coerced into believing such and react accordingly. As in panic buying for example and in the UK one innocent Singaporean student was subjected to an unprovoked assault by members of the thicko and thug fraternity likewise Chinese restaurants and take away's seeing a significant reduction in business. .

Equally, as the virus propagates, it becomes increasingly difficult for medical professionals to present as much factual commentary as possible to negate the histrionics. If ever there was a time for responsible journalism to become prominent it's at times like this. ......likewise with responsible Gov't but, as we know, both are oxymorons in their own right across the globe.

What really concerns me is the seemingly random cases who have contracted the virus without any direct connection to known carriers. and why there is a deafening silence as to why this is happening.

Thankfully, dogs are immune it seems albeit ours has already presented us with her basic staples requirements....smoked salmon, fillet steak, chicken and tripe.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 07:45
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Now there's a truly noble act of self sacrifice if ever there was one. How about a caravan park holiday in lieu ?.....like we do. They are very comfortable and...you get to meet a range of people.

As for the virus and the impact it is having. For the UK media, and doubtless across the globe, the virus is a gift for generating sensationalist / alarmist headlines.

Which is a serious concern.

Populations are easily coerced into believing such and react accordingly. As in panic buying for example and in the UK one innocent Singaporean student was subjected to an unprovoked assault by members of the thicko and thug fraternity likewise Chinese restaurants and take away's seeing a significant reduction in business. .

Equally, as the virus propagates, it becomes increasingly difficult for medical professionals to present as much factual commentary as possible to negate the histrionics. If ever there was a time for responsible journalism to become prominent it's at times like this. ......likewise with responsible Gov't but, as we know, both are oxymorons in their own right across the globe.

What really concerns me is the seemingly random cases who have contracted the virus without any direct connection to known carriers. and why there is a deafening silence as to why this is happening.

Thankfully, dogs are immune it seems albeit ours has already presented us with her basic staples requirements....smoked salmon, fillet steak, chicken and tripe.
No! You should never give smoked salmon to your dog. Fresh salmon - fine. The reason for this is that smoked salmon is cured so contains an excessive amount of salt that is dangerous for dogs. There is also a small chance that smoked salmon contains parasites which can result in a fatal condition in canines.
https://www.thelabradorsite.com/can-dogs-eat-salmon/
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 08:02
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Originally Posted by cashash View Post
Been done for years in the US, so long overdue in the UK.

I know it is the Daily Mail but I see they are reporting panic buying of larder 'essentials' -

Panic-buying Brits strip supermarket shelves of pasta, couscous and water: Shops are left bare of larder essentials as well as toilet roll, Berocca and disinfectant as coronavirus ‘preppers’ brace for meltdown

OK - when did Couscous and Berocca become a larder essential?
So you didn't see Nigel Slater's 14-day self-isolation meal plan in last Saturday's Telegraph? His artichoke heart and couscous salad with Berocca reduction looks delicious.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 08:50
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Business problems...

After hotels, cruises and events, come the “personal” services.
Brothels not doing so well
Next will be hairdressers, pedicure, sun lounge.
How about dentists? Bespoke tailors, beauty salons.

Small businesses need a daily cash flow.

The poor medics and nurses are in the line of fire - our profession is already very much hit...

Politicians may be paid in trumps
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 08:56
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post

Fifteen Italian citizens test positive in India

In India, fifteen Italian citizens have tested positive for coronavirus, Indian state and private media said on Wednesday, citing unidentified sources. Reuters reports that on Monday, an Italian citizen tested positive in the state of Rajasthan, according to a health official.
India is ****** then, their standards of hygene are disgusting it will go nuts over there
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 08:59
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Why is there so much panic and hype over a virus that is a lot less deadly than flu?
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 09:08
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I hav3 been wondering why so few cases are being reported in sub-Saharan Africa. Then the penny dropped.

The median age is 19.7 years. The average life expectancy is 55.2 years. And the prognosis for those with chronic conditions such as cardiovascular ailments is already poor. So the expected mortality rate, around 0.2%, is around than of the common flu.

It could already be rife and invisible above the noise of other ailments and deaths.

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Old 4th Mar 2020, 09:08
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Panic? Where?

English version of the hopeful asthma drug news I posted earlier. (Post #1067 above)
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/ataglance/801/
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 09:09
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Originally Posted by 57mm View Post
Why is there so much panic and hype over a virus that is a lot less deadly than flu?
I guess we have a vaccination for most strains off flu. The question is what would happen if Covid mutates before we find a cure. I'm sure we would have the same issues if we didn't have a vaccine for flu.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 09:30
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Just before everyone gets too comfortable, the largest groups of WURS patients in South Korea are 20-yr-olds, and women.

Reasons why so many in 20s, women contract virus in S. Korea
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 09:37
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The global death rate of the new coronavirus is 3.4 percent, the W.H.O. says.

The head of the World Health Organization said on Tuesday that the global mortality rate for Covid-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, was 3.4 percent...... “Globally, about 3.4 percent of reported Covid-19 cases have died,” said Dr. Tedros. “By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1 percent of those infected.”
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 09:59
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After hearing the news, I went down to my local supermarket to see it for myself.

A non-carriers guide to COVID-19 should be published and have the words 'DON'T PANIC' inscribed in large, friendly letters on the cover.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 10:01
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The WHO also says on its web site that it is impossible to calculate death rate until an epidemic is over. Which makes sense, if you think about it.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 10:46
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Originally Posted by 57mm View Post
Why is there so much panic and hype over a virus that is a lot less deadly than flu?

Not this again???

It's WAY more deadly than the flu. Yesterday the World Health Organisation estimated the case fatality rate at 3.4% which is horrendous.

The case fatality rate for seasonal flu is usually more like 0.1%
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 10:54
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Worse than flu, more contagious, no vaccines (as of yet), vulnerable groups more exposed, possible overload of facilities to treat complications and probably therefore higher statistics that could scare the bejesus out of you. That said, common sense, change of habits, moderation in everything including emotions should see most through ok.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 11:54
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Here's a real world experience from London I've just heard.

A kid who had been on a school half-term skiing trip to Northern Italy (but not the regions affected) had been kept off school due to closure as a general precaution of having students who had been ion northern Italy.. Anyway kid felt unwell at the weekend, so the parents phoned 111 who advised to go to the drive-in testing at the local hospital. Told to all go home and self isolate until the results came back 5 days later! Kid seems to be ok, except for flu like symptoms. The younger sibling now has a cough and temperature, they phoned 111 who said that the younger sibling had a cold, even though they share a bedroom with the older suspect kid.

Parents pointed out the issue, but the 111 opoerator was adamant that they knew what it was over the phone....
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 12:51
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https://nypost.com/2020/03/04/corona...usiness-event/

Coronavirus patient ignored self-isolation order to go to business event

A hospital worker who became New Hampshire’s first coronavirus patient had been ordered to self-isolate — but went to a college’s business event instead, health officials have revealed.

The selfish Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center staffer showed symptoms after returning from a trip to Italy, and was told to stay home while awaiting the test result, which came back positive Monday, health officials said.

“The first patient, despite having been directed to self-isolate, attended an invitation-only private event on Friday,” the New Hampshire Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) warned in a release.

Having defied the first directive, the hospital worker was “issued an official order of isolation” after officially testing positive on Monday, officials said.

A close colleague of his at the hospital then became the Granite State’s second confirmed case on Tuesday, their hospital confirmed.

It left health workers scrambling to contact attendees at the event in neighboring Vermont to tell them to “follow the recommended 14-day self-isolation,” the service said.

Dartmouth College emailed staff and students to confirm that the patient went to the event run by its Tuck School of Business. It was not immediately clear how many others were at the event........


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Old 4th Mar 2020, 12:54
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
Worse than flu, more contagious, no vaccines (as of yet), vulnerable groups more exposed, possible overload of facilities to treat complications and probably therefore higher statistics that could scare the bejesus out of you. That said, common sense, change of habits, moderation in everything including emotions should see most through ok.
Not according to the WHO:

Both COVID-19 and influenza cause respiratory disease and spread the same way, via small droplets of fluid from the nose and mouth of someone who is sick.

However, there are some important differences between COVID-19 and influenza.

First, COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far.

With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19.

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/deta...--3-march-2020
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 13:27
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Seems to be either spreading more rapidly, or (more likely, I think) now being detected more reliably: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51741001

An additional 34 cases recorded here in a single day.
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