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Old 16th Aug 2020, 21:50
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I see Manchester United football team played at Sevilla tonight are they all on fourteen day quarantine when they return.

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Old 16th Aug 2020, 22:16
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I was told that if you saw a £5 note in the street, if you had a cold, you would pick it up. If you had flu you would stagger past, in order to get home.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 01:45
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' The first major cruise ship to set sail in the Mediterranean in almost five months has left from the Italian city of Genoa. The MSC Grandiosa will stop at three Italian ports and the Maltese capital Valletta in a seven-day voyage.
Operator MSC Cruises, say all passengers and crew have been tested for coronavirus before boarding.
It comes as virus cases continue to rise around Italy, with more than 600 reported by authorities yesterday.'
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It just seems like one big bad idea. What is in their minds - holiday and/or die, and/or kill many upon return? Just write off incubator cruises and foreign holidays for the year, do everyone a favour.

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Old 17th Aug 2020, 03:38
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I was told that if you saw a £5 note in the street, if you had a cold, you would pick it up. If you had flu you would stagger past, in order to get home.
Not heard that before but from my one experience of flu sounds spot on.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 03:48
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Not heard that before but from my one experience of flu sounds spot on.
Indeed.

Last time I caught one it prompted me to vaccinate forever more.

It did literally drop me, pleased I was out for the hitting the floor part.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 05:03
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Originally Posted by N707ZS View Post
I see Manchester United football team played at Sevilla tonight are they all on fourteen day quarantine when they return.
Nope. They played the game in Germany fyi.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 05:24
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
It just seems like one big bad idea. What is in their minds - holiday and/or die, and/or kill many upon return? Just write off incubator cruises and foreign holidays for the year, do everyone a favour.
In Europe, people are not being hospitalised, let alone dying from COVID in signficant numbers. Daily deaths in the UK are literally in single figures. There are fewer than 100 COVID patients in critical care across the UK. Even on the Diamond Princess, with its ‘vulnerable’ clientele, only approx. 20% of passengers and crew were infected and 14 of 3711 died (0.3%).

At what point would you be happy for normal life resume? It should be absolutely obvious that the measures being taken are out of all proportion with the minimal ‘threat’ posed by a not very serious virus.

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Old 17th Aug 2020, 05:41
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https://www.politicshome.com/news/ar...t-scheme-opens

Millions of self-employed to claim up to £6,570 as second stage of coronavirus income support scheme opens
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 06:34
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Did it sweep through the school ?
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Quite a few came down with it from memory, but we were in shared rooms as we were in 6th form then, so there was one other person in close proximity, and he got it. I guess its a bit like Glandular Fever in student Halls of Residence which I remember from Uni doing the rounds as well, though that may have something to do with nocturnal habits as well.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 07:02
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 09:54
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Perhaps it also depends on your political perspective? From the NZ Herald: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/ - not a particularly pro-government journal

Audrey Young: Why Ardern got the election decision right

COMMENT: PM was correct when she said delaying the election was a balanced decision.

It might also be because, in NZ the government has the prerogative of setting the election date within certain bounds. The government still has a further two months before it is legally required to call a general election.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 09:56
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I agree that the difference is a matter of trust...................Trust in the persons motives for the action, assuming the 2 leaders in question are in any way comparable on any matter of judgement is ridiculous
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Old 18th Aug 2020, 11:34
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Old 18th Aug 2020, 11:43
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Interesting theory, but I'm always a bit suspicious of theories that only consider one aspect, in this case antibody levels, of what has to be something that is significantly impacted by many more variables. It's also been shown that antibody levels may not be a reliable indicator on immunity, as there seem to be other factors involved within the immune response (such as immunological memory) that are harder to detect, yet may well be shown to play a significant part in susceptibility, especially to severe disease, perhaps.

What does seem to be happening is that the disease is not killing as many people, or making people as seriously ill, now, when compared to what was happening back at the start of the year. It would be interesting to fully understand why this seems to be the case.

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Old 18th Aug 2020, 12:11
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"Six main narratives emerged in the international media reporting on Sweden during the first month of the COVID-19 pandemic: (1) Life is normal in Sweden, (2) Sweden has a herd immunity strategy, (3) Sweden is not following expert advice, (4) Sweden is not following WHO recommendations (5) the Swedish approach is failing and (6) Swedes trust the government. While these narratives are partially grounded in reality, in some media outlets, the language and examples used to frame the story distorted the accuracy of the reporting."

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Old 18th Aug 2020, 12:16
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Interesting theory, but I'm always a bit suspicious of theories that only consider one aspect, in this case antibody levels, of what has to be something that is significantly impacted by many more variables. It's also been shown that antibody levels may not be a reliable indicator on immunity, as there seem to be other factors involved within the immune response (such as immunological memory) that are harder to detect, yet may well be shown to play a significant part in susceptibility, especially to severe disease, perhaps.

What does seem to be happening is that the disease is not killing as many people, or making people as seriously ill, now, when compared to what was happening back at the start of the year. It would be interesting to fully understand why this seems to be the case.
Fair point, and I would also stick my head above the parapet and say that the fact that Sweden generally has a healthier population might have a bearing on figures. The Swedes possibly didn’t need to change too much in their lifestyles and day to day living, plus Scandinavians, statistically, are more likely to live alone or in a couple in a less dense population. They also have a culture of outdoor living almost all year round which must help with the suspected Vitamin D connection and dissipation of microbes.

I have wondered, having had both late mother and MIL in a care home in the last few months, whether the lack of fresh air and sunshine has further contributed to the high casualty rate, on top of vulnerability. Both these elderly ladies were very reluctant to go in the garden, despite the warm weather at the time. I’m not sure whether they felt the cold more or lacked motivation. The staff were very encouraging but they preferred to stay indoors most of the time. If they are a reflection of that particular cohort, that is another potential factor.
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Old 18th Aug 2020, 12:22
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https://marginalrevolution.com/margi...ght-think.html

Why herd immunity is worth less than you might think

......Another problem is global in nature and could prove very severe indeed. One possible motivation for the herd immunity hypothesis is that a significant chunk of the population already had been exposed to related coronaviruses, thereby giving it partial immunity to Covid-19. In essence, that “reservoir” of protected individuals has helped to slow or stop the spread of the virus sooner than might have been expected.

There is a catch, however. If true, that hypothesis means that the virus spreads all the more rapidly among groups with little or no protection. (Technically, if R = 2.5, but say 50% of the core population has protection, there is an R of something like 5 for the unprotected population, to get the aggregate R to 2.5.) So if some parts of the world enjoy less protection from cross-immunities, Covid-19 is likely to ravage them all the more — and very rapidly at that.

Again, this is all in the realm of the hypothetical. But that scenario might help explain the severe Covid-19 toll in much of Latin America, and possibly in India and South Africa. Herd immunity, as a general concept, could mean a more dangerous virus for some areas and population subgroups......

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Old 18th Aug 2020, 12:32
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"It is unclear how long immunity against COVID-19 lasts after an infection. Based on previous experience, there is reason to believe that immunity will last long enough to prevent people from getting infected several times during the same season."



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Old 18th Aug 2020, 14:13
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Multiple independent data is converging on the conclusion that (in Europe and USA) this thing is almost over.

There has not been a 2nd wave ANYWHERE IT HAS ALREADY SIGNIFICANTLY PASSED THROUGH. Yes there have been some more cases in Europe over recent weeks, but colleagues on the ground say it is different now - "there are cases, but they are not sick and not needing hospital like before." This suggests these cases represent enhanced capacity of testing and finding the milder cases who flew under the radar earlier on.

[QUOTE][]https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/...cythree/QUOTE]

Australia and NZ didn't dodge a bullet. We delayed it. For a bit.

Consider this


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Old 18th Aug 2020, 14:34
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I know it's The Sun, but
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/health...s-seven-weeks/

Considering the precautions that are in place at present, masks, washing hands, etc. you would surely expect a significant downturn in normal flu deaths as well?
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