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Old 22nd May 2020, 21:23
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
You couldn’t make this up. It transpires Dominic Cummings, Government Chief Advisor, travelled to Durham from London, during lockdown, with symptoms, to visit his parents.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52779356
Is anyone really surprised? Cummings has always considered himself above everyone else, so this is exactly what I'd expect from him.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 21:25
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Is anyone really surprised? Cummings has always considered himself above everyone else, so this is exactly what I'd expect from him.
He is either incredibly stupid, arrogant or both or we’ve all been totally conned over how serious this virus really is.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 21:29
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
He is either incredibly stupid, arrogant or both or we’ve all been totally conned over how serious this virus really is.
My view is that it's arrogance, plain and simple. Reminds me of my boss, back in the 1990's, John Chisholm. Sod all in the way of a moral compass and, as a colleague remarked, "he has the supreme advantage of being entirely without self-doubt".
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Old 22nd May 2020, 21:33
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
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I hope when this ends as it will, that the effort was worth it, as there is going to be a very big bill to pay by the generations in the age groups up to 64, and probably not just financially.
On that happy note I am going out for a Beer with the staff in the Munich sunshine, before returning to the UK tomorrow, and will work from there until the end of May, when I will depart back here before Boris.s quarantine kicks in. I am not sure when I will be back, which is slightly concerning Mrs Mac, but Boris has a Bank Holiday weekend to come up with another plan, so it maybe all change again next week !
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Well you go out for a Beer and Boris changes the rules again !! Could the UK just be well managed for those of us who have to move around in this environment please.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 21:55
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Well you go out for a Beer and Boris changes the rules again !! Could the UK just be well managed for those of us who have to move around in this environment please.
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You are so right, Mr Mac.

I’m coming to the conclusion that the ‘advice’ we are being given to us is deliberately vague and nebulous so that if it all goes pear shaped, our politicians can hide behind the, “We recommended that the public did/didn’t do x,y or z and they didn’t follow it so consequently...”

One can’t help feeling that anyone of us applying common sense would be just as capable of making sensible decisions than these appointed advisors.
The only people that seem to have any clue are the scientists actually working directly with the virus.





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Old 22nd May 2020, 22:01
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
My view is that it's arrogance, plain and simple. Reminds me of my boss, back in the 1990's, John Chisholm. Sod all in the way of a moral compass and, as a colleague remarked, "he has the supreme advantage of being entirely without self-doubt".
BBC: A source close to Mr Cummings said he had not been spoken to by police, and that he had made the trip because his parents could help care for his young child while he and his wife were both ill with symptoms of coronavirus.
How would that work exactly? Cummings (and his wife?) were allegedly isolated in a separate part of the house, but his parents were "helping" to care for the child. So the child was going between the parents who had virus symptoms and the grandparents who apparently didn't. Not exactly safe isolation was it
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Old 22nd May 2020, 22:05
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I think I agree but is the problem that we would really like to be children again and be told what is good for us ? What does a government know that we don't? So tell us the facts, tell us what you think we should do, then it's up to us.
There is also a don't frighten the horses issue: don't deprive people of hope without good cause. Vaccine: yes it's possible but how will they test to see if it's safe for pregnant women. Would pregnant women want to risk it anyway. People with suppressed immune systems? So a vaccine might not appear and even if it eventually does, will large chunks of the particularly vulnerable population be outside it's protective scope? Don't need a government to tell us this do we when we can figure it out for ourselves.
But let's all play a blame game.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 22:26
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
I think I agree but is the problem that we would really like to be children again and be told what is good for us ? What does a government know that we don't? So tell us the facts, tell us what you think we should do, then it's up to us.
There is also a don't frighten the horses issue: don't deprive people of hope without good cause. Vaccine: yes it's possible but how will they test to see if it's safe for pregnant women. Would pregnant women want to risk it anyway. People with suppressed immune systems? So a vaccine might not appear and even if it eventually does, will large chunks of the particularly vulnerable population be outside it's protective scope? Don't need a government to tell us this do we when we can figure it out for ourselves.
But let's all play a blame game.
Spot on.

We all want to blame someone; the Chinese, the government, others who are flouting the rules. Donald Trump.

The government wants to blame us for not taking responsibility.

Donald Trump wants to blame the Democrats and the Chinese and possibly the Mexicans - but he doesn’t know what for and how yet (This last para is just me being flippant)

Seriously. Most of us are sensible enough to be given the facts and to make our own choices. We know there’s a pathogen out there. We know we need to keep a sensible distance from strangers, we know we should practise good hygiene and we know that we should stay at home if we’re unwell. Now, let’s just get on with life and stop the madness.



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Old 22nd May 2020, 22:32
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
How would that work exactly? Cummings (and his wife?) were allegedly isolated in a separate part of the house, but his parents were "helping" to care for the child. So the child was going between the parents who had virus symptoms and the grandparents who apparently didn't. Not exactly safe isolation was it
Perhaps the BBC need to speak with their source. According to the Guardian:“Officers made contact with the owners of that address who confirmed that the individual in question was present and was self-isolating in part of the house.
“In line with national policing guidance, officers explained to the family the guidelines around self-isolation and reiterated the appropriate advice around essential travel.”
Government guidance at the time said:
“You should not be visiting family members who do not live in your home,” the guidance said. “The only exception is if they need help, such as having shopping or medication dropped off.”
To quote Matt Lucas "Yeah but aah but, no but..."
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Old 22nd May 2020, 22:32
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Has anybody had a cold recently?
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Old 22nd May 2020, 23:32
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
You couldn’t make this up. It transpires Dominic Cummings, Government Chief Advisor, travelled to Durham from London, during lockdown, with symptoms, to visit his parents.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52779356
Obviously No Common Sense!


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Old 23rd May 2020, 02:10
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This is the link to the Wuhan WURS vaccine article in the Lancet.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...208-3/fulltext
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Old 23rd May 2020, 02:22
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You can't say Wuhan you racist !
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Old 23rd May 2020, 03:00
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the Lancet reports encouraging report for vaccine from ---Wuhan!!! Interesting.
Just replying to this post.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 07:42
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Interesting article about the complexity and challenges of contact tracing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52772436

Doesn't seem to be a minimum wage job, from that description, at all.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:05
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
Has anybody had a cold recently?
Yes - despite being reasonably isolated and wearing a mask but not gloves. And it was a very nasty cold.
I suspect it came from either the chemists or the supermarket.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:26
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Just got back from our local supermarket. The staff there are doing a grand job with great humour but it’s dawned on me the pointlessness of it all. We all stood in a snaking and equally spaced queue around the car park, looking like an Anthony Gormley set of statues. As, up and down the country, the system seems to be X number of trolleys are in circulation in order to limit the number of shoppers. The staff were diligently wiping down the handles with disinfectant wipes once each one was returned and then immediately issued to the next waiting shopper.

Standing in a queue for 15 minutes without much to do gave me the opportunity to watch human behaviour. I realised how many of us - myself included - actually manoeuvre shopping trolleys to get to something, or to return them, by grabbing the sides or the end, not the handle at all. To be honest, if we’re supposed to to be washing our hands thoroughly, particularly when we have been out of the house, these token cleansing efforts seem totally unnecessary and may even give another false sense of security.

Another point my daughter has also raised is about social distancing. If the WHO have stated that 1m apart is an acceptable safe measure, isn’t that the usually socially acceptable distance we all keep anyway? Apart from close family and, even with good friends, human beings have an invisible ‘social space’ that we like to keep. Obviously, for the foreseeable future, we will probably need to avoid crowds but on day to day interaction, it really shouldn’t be a problem and not need to be spelt out in capital letters.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:33
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Interesting article about the complexity and challenges of contact tracing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52772436

Doesn't seem to be a minimum wage job, from that description, at all.
I am surprised you didn't notice that Johns Hopkins university is in the US! Anyway, without having seen the prospectus, I wouldn't know if this related to a typical call centre operative or those of the clinician type skills.
Anyway, back to the UK; The pay being advertised is £9.42 per hour. Have a look at the recruiting web sites. There are reports elswhere that recruits are being offered £8.00 per hour.
And then there is the training. Various reports would put this in the shambolic category. ("How can I deal with someone who has been bereaved?" from a new recruit. "Look it up on Youtube" was the answer from the management!)
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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:42
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FWIW, this virus persists for a longer time in dry and cool conditions, and breaks down more rapidly in warm and humid conditions. Not sure about cool and humid, but would guess that that's a worse condition for long persistence than dry and cool.
This might explain why Peru, Chile and Equador have been experiencing a surge in infections now, despite being amongst the first to apply lockdowns back in mid-March to stem the spread of infections.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:47
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This might explain why Peru, Chile and Equador have been experiencing a surge in infections now, despite being amongst the first to apply lockdowns back in mid-March to stem the spread of infections.
There was an interesting correlation reported last night that the Asian countries that have the highest success in containing Covid previously had experience with the SARS outbreak so had plans already in place.
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