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Old 8th May 2020, 17:07
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I think that is a matter for the UK politics thread, not this one.
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Old 8th May 2020, 17:33
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I suspect many can guess what the redacted parts may say, anyway, plus they are pretty much going to have to release the non-redacted content now it's been highlighted.
Presumably it was highlighted in indelible black rather than the traditional yellow.
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Old 8th May 2020, 18:01
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Originally Posted by pilotmike View Post
Presumably it was highlighted in indelible black rather than the traditional yellow.

From the Guardian article:

Several SPIĖB members told the Guardian that the redacted portions of the document contained criticisms they had made of potential government policies they had been formally asked to consider in late March and early April.
From that I'm guessing that the redacted content isn't a very well kept secret!
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Old 8th May 2020, 18:23
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I see that Canada has announced that 82% of deaths from Covid are in care homes. I still would like to know the UKís percentage too. I think that figure might have a huge bearing on whether itís safe to gradually ease the lockdown on the general public and the less vulnerable.
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Old 8th May 2020, 18:37
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Originally Posted by Andrewgr2 View Post
A friendís long bedridden mother finally passed away during the night at home. Her Carer reported that the GP spent 15 minutes donning full PPE before entering the house to certify she was dead. Why would this be necessary? No suggestion of CV19 and, even if there was, a deceased person surely has little risk of passing on a respiratory disease. I would have thought gloves would be sufficient. He then took a further 15 minutes removing the kit before moving on to the next job...
There are plenty of posts on this thread suggesting that lots of people may have,or indeed had this disease without even realising it or showing any symptoms.And that it may linger in the air or on surfaces for hours / days.Why take the risk for the sake of 30 minutes?
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Old 8th May 2020, 19:54
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WHO approves vaccine trials that deliberately infects volunteers with COVID-19.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...-infect-people
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Old 8th May 2020, 20:21
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WHO approves vaccine trials that deliberately infects volunteers with COVID-19.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...-infect-people
The recipient? assuming the monkeys didn't all die
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Old 8th May 2020, 20:26
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Now about that initial version of the NHS tracking app and the future Google/Apple API based version.........



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Old 8th May 2020, 20:36
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Dr John Lee in The Spectator.

John Lee is a recently retired professor of pathology and a former NHS consultant pathologist.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...e-lockdown-now

Ten reasons to end the lockdown now

Writing in this magazine a month ago, I applauded the government’s stated aim of trying to follow the science in dealing with Covid. Such promises are easier made than kept. Following science means understanding science. It means engaging with rival interpretations of the limited data in order to tease out what is most important in what we don’t know. Instead, the government in the UK (and many other places) seems uninterested in alternative viewpoints. The chosen narrative – that lockdown has saved countless lives – has been doggedly followed by all spokespeople. No doubt is allowed. We have been seeing the groupthink response to a perceived external threat that Jonathan Haidt describes so lucidly in his excellent book on human moral thinking, The Righteous Mind.

It has now become a matter of faith that lockdown is vital. Not only is it believed to be causally responsible for 'flattening the curve', but it is feared that releasing it too soon may cause a second spike in cases and 'economic disaster' (presumably due to further huge numbers of deaths). On what evidence is this made?

Even if one could understand why lockdown was imposed, it very rapidly became apparent that it had not been thought through. Not in terms of the wider effects on society (which have yet to be counted) and not even in terms of the ways that the virus itself might behave. But at the start, there was hardly any evidence. Everyone was guessing. Now we have a world of evidence, from around the globe, and the case for starting to reverse lockdown is compelling. Here are ten reasons why I believe that it is wrong to continue with lockdown and why we should start to reverse it immediately and rapidly.........

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Old 8th May 2020, 21:11
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Unfortunately, this narrative is not getting through at all. The UKs airlines have now been told anyone arriving in the UK will be forced to quarantine now for 14 days and they need a private address. This begins at the end of the month.

In the same vein, EU leaders recommend to all states that non essential travel should be banned until middle of June.

I hope the revolt starts soon.
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Old 8th May 2020, 22:10
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Originally Posted by LGW Vulture View Post
Unfortunately, this narrative is not getting through at all. The UKs airlines have now been told anyone arriving in the UK will be forced to quarantine now for 14 days and they need a private address. This begins at the end of the month.

In the same vein, EU leaders recommend to all states that non essential travel should be banned until middle of June.

I hope the revolt starts soon.
It's a bit pathetic, isn't it? "We have a serious health problem on our hands and we need to impose some conditions. Next month"!
And the idea that people will be quarantined presumably at their home address or the address of their mate/family/in-laws or whatever is very reminiscent of the government's occasional difficulties with illegal immigration. When people who can't prove their right to be in the UK are picked up, they are frequently released as there isn't space for them at detention centres. So off they go with a "Yes Sir. I will be at that address". Never to be seen again!
They could even have done a sneaky deal with the airport owners and airlines; "We will provide the quarantine centres and you lot can pay for them. Now, about that 3rd runway..." Nod, nod. Wink, wink!
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Old 9th May 2020, 00:13
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They could even have done a sneaky deal with the airport owners and airlines; "We will provide the quarantine centres and you lot can pay for them. Now, about that 3rd runway..." Nod, nod. Wink, wink!
Boris may be cursing the virus for giving him a hard time, but simultaneously, he might be thanking it for sparing him prostration in front of the bulldozers. I suspect that the need for the third runway may now be very hard to demonstrate.
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Old 9th May 2020, 03:36
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COVID was probably in France in November 2019

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soci...analysis-chest

CT scans are actually a pretty good way of diagnosing COVID. Pretty sensitive (CT will find most cases) although CT is not perfectly specific (other things can look like COVID, so CT canít 100% guarantee it is COVID). But this high sensitivity (plus immediate availability of results) is why China at one stage was using CT rather than swabs to diagnose COVID. During the peak of the outbreak, if the CT looked like COVID then it most likely was COVID rather than something else.

CT images are stored indefinitely, so it is very easy to go back and look for old undiagnosed cases. And very easy to go back to those people and do an antibody test.

That wet market outbreak in December is looking less and less likely to be where this started. And notification to the WHO on 31 December is looking to be very late.
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Old 9th May 2020, 05:28
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Dr John Lee in The Spectator.

John Lee is a recently retired professor of pathology and a former NHS consultant pathologist.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...e-lockdown-now

Ten reasons to end the lockdown now
10? I only count a couple. .1. Corporates didn't want to shut down, 2. So you did a little bit that couldn't work and social equality is so yesterday. 3. Bugger the piles of rotting corpses, it's time to make money again.
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Old 9th May 2020, 05:58
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https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-covid-death.html

U.S. COVID-19 death rate is 1.3%, study finds
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Old 9th May 2020, 06:09
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Close enough, That is also the au/nz stats, nys antibody also comes out to it. It's far from the US recorded cases to deaths of 6.3% . That is because of cases undercounted. Not enough testing then, still isn't now.
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Old 9th May 2020, 06:47
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https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...laims-11985343

Coronavirus 'largely gone out' of UK population outside hospitals and care homes, professor claims

Coronavirus has "largely gone out" of the UK population outside hospitals and care homes, a professor of epidemiology has told Sky News.

Tim Spector, whose COVID Symptom Study app has been downloaded more than three million times, said the official number of confirmed cases - just over 211,000 - was "very artificial" because it is the "only number they've been able to test, or get to hospital".

"We think the real number is in the millions," he said. But numbers are falling, he added, saying: "It seems to be that it's largely gone out of the population, where rates are really low."

The apparent disparity between the general population and hospitals and care homes is "probably due to residual infections they haven't been able to get rid of, particularly in care homes", Prof Spector said..........

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Old 9th May 2020, 07:33
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So lockdown has largely done what it said on the tin.

The virion armies were foiled in their millions as they underestimated the collective power of human cunning, and failed to make those vital jumps.
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Old 9th May 2020, 07:43
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Originally Posted by LGW Vulture View Post
Unfortunately, this narrative is not getting through at all. The UKs airlines have now been told anyone arriving in the UK will be forced to quarantine now for 14 days and they need a private address. This begins at the end of the month.

In the same vein, EU leaders recommend to all states that non essential travel should be banned until middle of June.

I hope the revolt starts soon.
Simply astounded to learn that was not in place already.
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Old 9th May 2020, 07:56
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Deaths per million shown at a national level are somewhat misleading.

National numbers fail to show that some localized areas within said countries are in serious trouble.

Take Sweden for example. 3000 + deaths in a nation of 10+ million. However most of the deaths are centered in/ around Stockholm, population less than 1 million.

In one report I read a health worker there described it as "horrific".
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