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Old 6th May 2020, 09:51
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Old 6th May 2020, 09:58
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The lady look like she has a "sign" for it.
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Old 6th May 2020, 10:01
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Be helpful if we all knew what they mean by a "forced return" as I can't find any reference to it from ten minutes of searching. Could this be a different term for a "soft" return
https://www.webopedia.com/TERM/H/hard_return.html

I am presuming a forced return is a hard line/paragraph return in HTML.

A normal line return inserted when you type on your PC/Mac is a <br> tag which is stripped out in HTML and the web page then reformats and wraps the text as required by the browser/page layout. A hard line return is a <p> tag and is retained. Which is why you get the scattered half lines and broken text from some posts here.

Is your Linux WP inserting <p> instead of <br> line breaks?
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Old 6th May 2020, 10:28
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Old 6th May 2020, 11:34
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Not sure if its been picked up on this thread before but on last night's Newsnight it was mentioned that a large number of care home residents who were in hospital in the first few months of the year were returned to their care homes to free up beds for the anticipated Covid-19 peak. This scandal just gets worse and worse.

On a related note, the infection control regimes at care homes doesn't seem to anywhere near at rigorous as in hospitals. I guess its a function of staff expertise and cost control.
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Old 6th May 2020, 11:37
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I know there's been reports of foreign powers trying to hack in to UK hospital computers to access Covid-19 research data. Possibly coincidentally, there's been a noticeable uptick in chatter on social media about not installing this app because of privacy fears.
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Old 6th May 2020, 11:45
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
https://www.webopedia.com/TERM/H/hard_return.html

I am presuming a forced return is a hard line/paragraph return in HTML.

A normal line return inserted when you type on your PC/Mac is a <br> tag which is stripped out in HTML and the web page then reformats and wraps the text as required by the browser/page layout. A hard line return is a <p> tag and is retained. Which is why you get the scattered half lines and broken text from some posts here.

Is your Linux WP inserting <p> instead of <br> line breaks?
Actually <br> is not stripped out from HTML, it behaves somewhat similarly to <p>. However the normal new line characters (\r\n on Windows, \n on Windows) are usually ignored by HTML engines, like web browsers, unless you place them between <pre> tags, where they behave like <br>. But all those details are irrelevant because the posts here are further processed by the forum software. For example behind the scenes \r\n or \n are converted automatically to <br> tags in the displayed posts.

Originally Posted by Peter H View Post
Secondly it might be my habit of formatting paragraphs with shortish line lengths, which I do this because studies repeatedly indicate intelligibility drops for line lengths greater than about 70 characters
Yes, that's most likely the problem the moderators were referring to. I'm trying to create relatively short paragraphs myself, not longer than 2 or 3 lines each, because I think making them longer is detrimental to readability. I hate "walls of text". I use a ultra-wide monitor, so 2-3 lines can translate in about 10 lines on a regular monitor, or even more on a mobile phone in portrait mode.

However, unlike you, I never split sentences in the middle with new lines. If a paragraph is too large I split it at a point between two sentences, not in the middle of a sentence.

Personally I don't have a problem with your posts, because my display is large enough, and I keep the browser maximized. But on smaller displays, that can't display 70 characters on a line, your forced line breaks in a middle of a sentence produce a very ugly output. For example on a display that can only display 60 characters on a line, your posts will be formatted to something like 60 characters on the first line of text, followed by 10 on the second, 60 on the third, 10 on the fourth, and so on. If you didn't do your manual splitting in the middle of the sentences the text would flow normally, fitting about 60 characters on each line, making it perfectly readable, and there would be no short lines with just 10 characters.

The problem with readability at over 70 characters per line is real, especially if you have a very wide display that can display over 100 characters per line, but the solution to that is keep browser window less wide when you read the forum, until the text width is according to your preferences, not to force format it in advance when you post it, because you can't know the display width of the person that will read it.

For example with your posts, like this one:

Originally Posted by Peter H View Post
Lets re-assure those waking up with a fever and dry cough that even if they have covid-19 their current chance of death
is lower than those figures. Should they be admitted to a hospital (with entry constraints comparable to an overloaded
Italian hospital mid-crisis) then the figures would apply.
This happens when the browser window is not wide enough, and can't fit the 70 characters per line:



I think you can agree it makes it less readable, which is probably what annoyed the mods. Sorry for the off-topic.

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Old 6th May 2020, 11:53
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Originally Posted by MikeSnow View Post
I think you can agree it makes it less readable, which is probably what annoyed the mods. Sorry for the off-topic.
Seems to hit the nail on the head: "forced return" and forum formatting problem?

The snag is that it also seems that this formatting problem can occur inadvertently, without the poster being aware of it. I did some playing about earlier, and it seems that there is an issue if text is cut and pasted here, as that text often seems to contain what I think are "soft" returns, i.e. shift+return. As all return characters are hidden, it's often not at all clear that this mess up has occurred, even to the person posting it. It only really shows up if the post is viewed on a narrow screen, I think (and I also pretty much always post here using a 24" screen).




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Old 6th May 2020, 12:10
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Well, that was quick...

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Old 6th May 2020, 12:18
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Originally Posted by currawong View Post
Well, that was quick...

https://youtu.be/X8GCRYl4X4o

Human trials of the vaccine developed here in the UK have, I believe, been underway for a couple of weeks now, so a bit further ahead than the Italian vaccine, perhaps. Still a long way from having a vaccine that is safe and effective and can be rolled out in a mass vaccination programme though - they reckon that if the UK vaccine gets through human trials OK, then it might be available for use by the general public towards the end of this year.
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Old 6th May 2020, 12:30
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Originally Posted by Cat Techie View Post
Did you have similar sypmtoms?
Now you remind me, yes, that is why I went to the GP about 10-12 after Christmas. Lying in bed I had a loud gurgling noise that would wake me up followed by coughing. I had forgotten that detail. I was prescribed and inhaler. After two weeks and no improvement I was further prescribed nasal spray. It was another two weeks before there was improvement and seemed clear by the time of my CT scan in February about 46 days after becoming ill. It showed some scarring in both lungs.
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Old 6th May 2020, 12:33
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Originally Posted by currawong View Post
Well, that was quick...

https://youtu.be/X8GCRYl4X4o

That makes no sense. They say the vaccine "has antibodies generated in mice that work on human cells." It's a really confused message. They may be saying they immunized mice with their unspecified vaccine and that generated antibodies that did something in vitro - human cells? maybe they mean virus neutralisation in vitro? That is very very far from a working vaccine. A human vaccine has to generate a protective response in humans!

I wonder if it is a garbled account of a potential treatment for covid-19 using mouse monoclonal antibodies? I know that is a very promising line of work that at least one company is taking with a very cool system that uses mice to create pure human antibodies - and was the method that gave by far the best treatment for Ebola.

(watching again, I think it's the latter. They have made anti - SARS -COV-2 antibodies in mice. Whoopee. That was done months ago by other groups. The only mention of the word 'vaccine' is by the presenter, I think she doesn't understand it.)

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Old 6th May 2020, 12:38
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
It's a tricky path to follow, either we have draconian rules or numbers of infected will rise until the so-called herd-immunity is achieved.
The draconian rules are necessary to protect the herd. Now if people could actually use common sense and apply the advice they have been given they could not need rules.

I went on dog walk this morning. Leaving the fields I saw a woman approaching. She turned off. We were 200 yards apart.
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Old 6th May 2020, 12:48
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Originally Posted by mickjoebill View Post
Australia has a goal to test 100,000 who have minor symptoms.
New South Wales released interim figures, Of 7000 tested only 9 had the virus. These are not random tests but tests of people with minor symptoms. I tested as I had a runny nose and result came back 15 hrs later as negative.

I find references to statistics should have more qualifiers. For a start it is a snapshot in time
7000 dived by 9 is 777. Does this mean the odds of having Covid in Australia are currently 777:1?
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That batch of people who were concerned, returned a 0.14% positive, Over all the tests and cases. It came out to 1% positive. We also just got 10m tests to use to xmas. It will be a 20 fold increase on top of what is already one of the world leaders
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https://health.govcms.gov.au/sites/d...6-may-2020.pdf

The east coast still has a bit of covid. Total cases are under 25 infections a day. My state SA hasn't had a case for 14 days. We have done our quarantine and ready to ease off the restrictions.

I couldn't find the death rate you are talking about, but there are 4 sources. AU, NZ, NYS antibodies and WH estimate 2000,000 infections/3000 dead a day, end of the month. The death rate comes out to 1.4-1.5% If you don't get that, your stats are off.
PS. the UK and US in general have schite stats and are basically BS. You are wasting your time using them. The number dead would be the most accurate and go from there.

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Old 6th May 2020, 12:53
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Like this perhaps?
Perhaps. Problem seems to happen when text is formatted to a fixed line width that looks OK on the device the poster is using, but then gets garbled by the forum formatting text to display on devices with smaller screens. If I've understood the explanation correctly, then the hidden character that I think causes the problem is a "soft" return, shift+return on a Windows machine (not sure about others). It seems very easy to do this by accident when cutting and pasting text that has this hidden formatting, as it's not visible to the person doing this if they have a wide screen, the problem seems to arise for smaller screens.
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Old 6th May 2020, 13:14
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I've had a cough since late Jan which turned a bit nasty in early Feb - serious coughing spasms for several minutes at a time until I could hawk up some mucus. Tended to be mid morning or if I took any strenuous exercise.

Friend commented I was wheezing very badly as I coughed when I walked her home from the pub one evening and after another bad attack the next day I saw the GP in drop in centre who diagnosed a mild chest infection and asthma. I've always had a slight asthmatic wheeze but always kept it in check by plenty of cycling and never treated it. She prescribed antibiotics, a steroid inhaler for morning and evening, and a ordinary inhaler in case I got breathless.

Cough was much better a week later but still there, then I got a dose of catarrh and hayfever started to kick in... Another couple of moments out and about when hard nose blowing to caused temporary blockages in the Eustachian tubes and a period of dizzyness - learned not blow so hard!

The upshot is, three months later I still cough occasionally and sometimes feel wheezy, especially an hour or so after I get up, so use the inhaler. It is asthmatic. I've stopped cycling due to neck problems and I think the asthma has taken hold - could do with a sit up and beg bike rather than my drop handlebar road bike.

Have I had Covid 19? Don't think so, I've not had any of the other symptoms; it wasn't debilitating other than during the spasms and I've have always had bad catarrh/coughs after colds - but who knows?

Incidentally, my mother suffered from pneumonia during the last few months of her life while I was acting as her primary carer. I had a bad cough before she died which never really went away flared up again several months afterwards in July - I asked the nurse practitioner who saw me and prescribed antibiotics if I could have acquired it from mum and she said it was very likely which surprised me. I was very careful about hygiene as I was concerned about giving her something but it seems things like picking up used tissues, then hand washing with ordinary soap was probably not enough - yes I do have antibacterial hand cleansers on me at all times now!
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Old 6th May 2020, 13:33
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I’m not great fan of Neil Ferguson and his past track record in “government advice” and have never understood quite why he is held in quite such high esteem. Google him and see the predictions he’s made in the past,

It appears his error of judgement was contradicting his own advice on social distancing by visiting a lady friend.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52553229
I wonder who was the self-righteous informer who dobbed him?

MYOB I say

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Old 6th May 2020, 13:48
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
I wonder who was the self-righteous informer who dobbed him?

MYOB I say

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My guess is that journos are out and about just waiting to catch someone prominent out like this. In this case it doesn't seem to have been him that broke the lockdown rules, but his lady friend, as it's been reported that she visited him on a couple of occasions.
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
I wonder who was the self-righteous informer who dobbed him?

MYOB I say

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Quite agree in that everyone has the right to a private life - except when they’re dictating us what to do, and not following that advice themselves. What gives NF the right or authority to exempt himself? I don’t think I should be in lockdown either. I’m fit and well and have got far better things to do but if we all took that arrogant view, we’d possibly still be on an upward trend.

That applies across the board. A good friend of ours is a nurse in a local doctors practice. Ironically, shes the team member that gives advice about giving up smoking and, you’ve guessed it, she’s a heavy smoker herself. Funnily enough, she’s also chosen to disregard the lockdown and visit her boyfriend’s house who lives on the other side of the county despite being an employee of the hallowed NHS.

Would I dob her in? No. I think that’s up to her conscience. Though I suspect Ferguson’s conscience wouldn’t have troubled him either had someone not reported him.
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