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Old 11th Feb 2020, 16:25
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Rather pointless banning flights now.

China is screening all outgoing flights. Anyone who wants to reach the UK can change flights at another airport such as Dubai or elsewhere.

Concern has already been made that several countries with extensive traffic with China are not reporting any cases and many criers may already be around the world.

I am afraid that, as a major hub, Heathrow is effectively an open gateway anyway.

Lets face it - all the current cases originated in Singapore via Geneva. Where are you going to ban flights from?
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 17:11
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I totally agree with your point, that it is of little value to restrict flights at this stage. Stable door closed, Horse already bolted type of scenario. It may have helped in the early days, but with a 14 day incubation period during which time, signs were hard to spot, whilst the virus was free to transfer, it would have been an act of limited value.
The virus is in the UK and hoping against hope, lets see if it's spread can be limited !
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 18:36
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Two more GP surgeries closed in Brighton after coming into contact with confirmed coronavirus patients, plus two nurses in isolation at a hospital in the city. Several schools advising parents that teachers have come into contact with people with coronavirus, both in Brighton and other local towns.

Another surgery closed

A fourth GP's surgery has been closed today after a doctor came into contact with a confirmed case of coronavirus. Patients were told this afternoon that The Avenue surgery in Moulsecoomb was closed.

Another GP closed

The Haven Practice in Hove shut this afternoon “due to coronavirus”, a sign on the surgery door read.

BREAKING:

Nurses are being forcibly held in quarantine after treating a patient with a new suspected case of coronavirus, a source has told The Argus. Two nurses treating a woman at The Haven in Mill View hospital, Hove, are being kept in a room next door to the patient, the source said.

Staff at primary school in "isolation"

We earlier reported two staff at a primary school are in isolation after coming into contact with a person with coronavirus. The head teacher of Cottesmore St Mary’s Catholic Primary School in Hove wrote to parents telling them the staff had been isolated to "reduce the risk of the virus spreading".
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 19:39
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Quite... draconian, in their use of the latest government powers.......

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1822...ld-quarantine/

Coronavirus Brighton: Nurses at Mill View Hospital held in quarantine

Nurses are being held in quarantine after treating a patient with a new suspected case of coronavirus, a source has told The Argus.

Two nurses treating a woman at The Haven in Mill View hospital, Hove, are being kept in a room next door to the patient, the source said. It is understood the patient had recently returned from Hong Kong.

The two nurses at the psychiatric hospital have been held there since 8.30pm yesterday evening, the Argus was told. They have not been allowed to leave, and one of the nurses is said to be pregnant.

It comes after five people were confirmed to have the virus in the city.........

Sussex Partnership NHS trust initially refused to comment. But just before 8pm, a spokesman for the trust said: "As is the case across the NHS, if we identify any individual displaying some of the symptoms consistent with coronavirus we will take proportionate, timely action in line with Public Health England guidance."......



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Old 11th Feb 2020, 21:49
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"We now have a name for the disease and it's Covid-19," WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters in Geneva.
Glad that's settled then - in about the same time it took China to build 2 huge specialist hospitals from nothing. Yet the West are accusing China of not doing enough to curb the spread.

Perhaps now we have settled on a name for Coronavirus, we should keep our foot on the gas and immediately start a 5 year consultation period for thrashing through the pros and cons of building a hospital?
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 23:55
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Glad that's settled then - in about the same time it took China to build 2 huge specialist hospitals from nothing. Yet the West are accusing China of not doing enough to curb the spread.

......?
I fail to see the tie-in between building a hospital to cure compare to curbing the spread of a disease. The horse has already escaped, building more barns doesn't solve that problem
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 04:26
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In recent photos of the President of China, Xi Jinping, he is wearing a mask.

The doctor who died also wore a mask.

To those that still say a mask is largely ineffective, agreed, but I would say that two people and two masks feels to me more natural here now than two people with no respiration brake/barrier of any kind. It is a sad day when we cannot totally trust the air that we breathe. Blade Runner 2020?

Wash your hands and face first, as my doctor says. 1. Soap and water. 2. Alcohol spray.
To that I would add, wear a mask and be aware of its benefits, limitations and handling rules. Better safe than sorry.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 05:24
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Don't forget; those surgical masks are designed to keep germs etc IN. The idea being to stop the surgeon inundating a patient with his nasty stuff while the patient is perhaps "opened up" (under the knife).
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 05:45
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Contrary to reports from a local rag, quoted above, the latest BBC news is showing that a single additional health worker (an A&E nurse) has tested positive for the virus and has agreed to "self-isolate" (horrible term!). https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51470342
Not quite the same as a pair of nurses being held against their will.
It is surely time to stop the alarmist, headline grabbing stories.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 06:51
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I fail to see the tie-in between building a hospital to cure compare to curbing the spread of a disease. The horse has already escaped, building more barns doesn't solve that problem
Building a couple of 1,000 bed specialist hospitals in under a week to isolate virus victims is EXACTLY what is required to help isolate infectious people. It removes them from the wider community, limiting the spread. What is difficult to understand about curbing the spread by isolating in dedicated hospitals?
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 07:39
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Time was when we had infectious diseases hospitals to isolate patients with TB etc., in Portsmouth it was across the road from St. Mary's Hospital next to Milton cemetery.
I remember visiting my grandmother there in the fifties, all gone now, pulled down and replaced by a school and housing estate.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 08:00
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PilotMike, I thought your point was also diverted. I thought it was one of time scales. China might have been slow to take action initially suppressing any thought of a new virus. Once they woke up to the danger they took urgent draconian actions, actions that democracies like ours could not take as quickly. Even strict enforcement of quarantine was an after thought.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 08:04
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Time was when we had infectious diseases hospitals to isolate patients with TB etc., in Portsmouth it was across the road from St. Mary's Hospital next to Milton cemetery.
I remember visiting my grandmother there in the fifties, all gone now, pulled down and replaced by a school and housing estate.
Indeed called isolation hospitals. My mother, amongst other qualifications, was fever trained. Of course these weren't facilities 'in case' they were in active use.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 11:44
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Originally Posted by pilotmike View Post
Building a couple of 1,000 bed specialist hospitals in under a week to isolate virus victims is EXACTLY what is required to help isolate infectious people. It removes them from the wider community, limiting the spread. What is difficult to understand about curbing the spread by isolating in dedicated hospitals?
True, but you are not isolating the spread that started it and is growing, you are only isolating a very small part of the reaction. It's a matter of relative size. A few nice buildings won't cut it down
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 13:07
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Someone I know was in a meeting yesterday and the Hong Kong honcho turned up in person. They coughed at one point and the gathered visibly jumped and started using hand-gel ;-) To be honest, at this point it is nigh on impossible to avert a spreading in the UK, especially when asymptomatic people are free to travel from areas affected by the outbreak. It's natural to feel anger at those so called 'spreaders', but if you genuinely don't know that you're infected, what can you do ?
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 13:26
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.......free to travel from areas affected by the outbreak..... but if you genuinely don't know that you're infected, what can you do ?
Maybe take a break from international travel and those oh so important business meetings for awhile. Just what is so damned important to take any risks?
Try some handy dandy tele-conferencing. It's been around for some time.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 13:39
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I totally agree, but people will keep on travelling, both for business and pleasure up until the SHTF, as in a close person becomes affected in some way or another.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 17:39
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So the UK super spreader has been released from hospital and has gone home, fully recovered it would seem. I hope that he has recovered. I'd be very interested in the timeline of his recovery in regards to how his body reacted to the virus and how he combated it it and with what if anything. It would help the public to better know what is being dealt with on a human level. From China we hear mostly horror stories, yet here it's seemingly no worse than a mild flu.
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Old 13th Feb 2020, 05:23
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So the UK super spreader has been released from hospital and has gone home, fully recovered it would seem. I hope that he has recovered. I'd be very interested in the timeline of his recovery in regards to how his body reacted to the virus and how he combated it it and with what if anything. It would help the public to better know what is being dealt with on a human level. From China we hear mostly horror stories, yet here it's seemingly no worse than a mild flu.
The meeting that infected the World
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51480613

Re the poor sod, UK patient zero ''super spreader'' he contracted the virus at the 5 star Grand Hyatt SIN at a business conference and flew home to UK.
He came home and then went on a ski Hol to France via EZY flights LGW-GVA-LGW
He must have been super infectious as he went on to infect 11 others at the Ski chalet, that have now been located in Majorca, France and Brighton...
Singapore is a big worry - I really think the lid should now be closed...Latest travel advisory for all non-essential travel from more countries.

Latest
A Chinese woman who flew into London from China a few days ago is infected and being treated, bringing the total number of UK cases to 9
BA canx's one of their 2 daily HKG's
15,000 new cases in one day in China with 250 new deaths
The HAL cruise ship Westerdam is now allowed to dock in Cambodia (and disembark the pax)
The Cunard liner Queen Mary 2 canx's all Far East port calls including Singapore, and she is now heading for Freemantle (Perth) on 18 Feb - 2 weeks at sea after she left Colombo! (pax not happy)


edit - Latest
BA 034 isolated on runway LHR 06.18 hours today
Currently sitting on BA 034, arrived one hour ago from KUL.
Passenger declared illness to crew.
Awaiting arrival of Port Authority Doctor.
LHR Fire Brigade in Hazmat gear outside the plane

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Old 13th Feb 2020, 05:54
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The Cunard liner Queen Mary 2 canx's all Far East port calls including Singapore, and she is now heading for Freemantle (Perth) on 18 Feb - 2 weeks at sea after she left Colombo! (pax not happy)
The passengers should do a risk assessment of the situation and weigh up the disappointment of missing out on their itinerary against the high chance of contracting the virus and perhaps unfortunate results thereafter. Look at the cruise liner in Yokohama as an example...
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