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Old 15th Mar 2020, 00:37
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I have been in contact with an Italian Formula One fan and asked this question; he replied that this is not the case. I feel bad about posting that without source, have deleted the comment from my original post, and hope all understand that this is not the case. My error.
Also deleted my comment. Still, in two weeks I'm seriously concerned as to where the US and UK will find themselves
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 00:51
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
Also deleted my comment. Still, in two weeks I'm seriously concerned as to where the US and UK will find themselves
My calculation is that the doubling time is about three days, so two weeks may be early. My daughter in Salt Lake City reports the University is closed, panic shopping for toilet paper, and confirmed cases in Park City ski resort. She is being allowed to work from home; all states in the US except Alaska are reporting cases, testing is going very slowly, and state officials seem to be the only ones taking action. Schools in Washington State are closed as of Monday, we have cases here in Yakima, no clue where this is going to go. We recently had one of the two hospitals in Yakima close and a friend, who took her son to the emergency room for a fall, reported last week that patients at Memorial Hospital were in beds in the hall. not a good sign. To be clear, these were NOT Coronvirus patients, but regular medical ones; there is a lack of beds in general.

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Old 15th Mar 2020, 00:53
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So how does the UKs national institution report the current situation? ' UK deaths double in 24 hours'.
Hang on, it then says 10 more deaths have been reported.
10.
Who believes that the BBC news and political team deserve our support?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51889957

Read it and weep.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 01:37
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I think I've deleted all my comments about that post.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 01:47
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Originally Posted by Winemaker View Post
My calculation is that the doubling time is about three days, so two weeks may be early. My daughter in Salt Lake City reports the University is closed, panic shopping for toilet paper, and confirmed cases in Park City ski resort. She is being allowed to work from home; all states in the US except Alaska are reporting cases, testing is going very slowly, and state officials seem to be the only ones taking action. Schools in Washington State are closed as of Monday, we have cases here in Yakima, no clue where this is going to go. We recently had one of the two hospitals in Yakima close and a friend, who took her son to the emergency room for a fall, reported last week that patients at Memorial Hospital were in beds in the hall. not a good sign. To be clear, these were NOT Coronvirus patients, but regular medical ones; there is a lack of beds in general.
Predictably, it's blowing up in the US. Known case total will go over 3K in the next few hours. 589 new confirmations in the past 24 hours (still counting).

Friends on hospital staff in US places with early and growing outbreaks say they're already in trouble and this is just getting started. Your report from Yakima is disturbing.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 01:47
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Well I've logged in a complaint to the BBC ( waste of their woke hand wringing time) and direct to Boris. Are the BBC on a self- destruct mission?
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 02:05
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Considering the size of the UK Military....how many Field Hospitals could they man up from Active Duty units?

Reserve and Territorial units would draw from Civilian Medical Professionals thus reducing the Civilian Staff numbers.

Same for the United States....there is only so much the Military can do.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 02:26
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It does make you wonder along the likes of conspiracy theories as to whether one of the major warring superpowers has instigated this.....
Has Vlad sent any 'perfume' bottles to China in the past few months?
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 02:49
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Originally Posted by OldnGrounded View Post
Predictably, it's blowing up in the US. Known case total will go over 3K in the next few hours. 589 new confirmations in the past 24 hours (still counting).

Friends on hospital staff in US places with early and growing outbreaks say they're already in trouble and this is just getting started. Your report from Yakima is disturbing.

I have brothers in-law in Moses Lake and Tri-Cities and they report similar. Like Yakima there are a lot of uninsured and underinsured folks there that are just scraping by and marginal medical facilities.

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Old 15th Mar 2020, 03:37
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Originally Posted by towrope View Post
I have brothers in-law in Moses Lake and Tri-Cities and they report similar. Like Yakima there are a lot of uninsured and underinsured folks there that are just scraping by and marginal medical facilities.
We also have, and this is NOT being racist, large Hispanic and Indian populations that are poorly served with health care needs. There is also a large illegal Hispanic population with very strong familial ties who will hesitate to ask for health care; I say this with reference to my winemaking experience and contact with illegals, including the employment of illegals by the owners of wineries I have worked for.

Edited to add: On a private note, some of the best employees I have had have been illegal and I remain friends and in contact with several of them.

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Old 15th Mar 2020, 04:14
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Originally Posted by OldnGrounded View Post

Friends on hospital staff in US places with early and growing outbreaks say they're already in trouble and this is just getting started. Your report from Yakima is disturbing.
Another disturbing development: top-tier cancer centers at major teaching hospitals here in LA, and I assume elsewhere, suspending enrollment in clinical trials, as part of a broader pause or stoppage in human-subjects research in academic settings where instruction has shifted to online. Meaning that a treatment option and in some cases the only treatment option is taken off the table for many cancer patients.

Source is a trusted colleague who reports hearing it directly from their own oncologist at a major teaching hospital.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 04:39
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What a bunch of brainiacs. From the New York Times:
Travelers were reporting long lines and confusion at U.S. airports on Saturday as the president’s new European travel restrictions went into effect.

In addition to barring foreigners from 26 European countries, President Trump’s new restrictions funnel Americans to designated airports in New York City, Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Honolulu, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Virginia, Detroit, Dallas, Newark, Boston and Miami. The travelers were undergoing enhanced health screenings, and the crush of Americans returning from Europe appeared to be making those screenings that much harder.

Frustrated travelers shared images of the long lines on social media.

Rhea Paul, 70, a speech language pathology professor, landed at Kennedy International Airport at about noon on Saturday and said the American Airlines pilot made no mention of the coronavirus or what would happen once they got to New York during the eight-hour flight from Paris.When they landed, U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents wearing paper and plastic masks boarded the plane and handed passengers a questionnaire to fill out before leaving the plane. On the jetway, an agent took each person’s temperature.

John Mixon, 86, a retired law professor, said he waited nearly two hours at Kennedy International Airport after arriving from Amman, Jordan, missing his connecting flight to Houston because of the slow screening process.

Mr. Mixon said he and his wife were shuffled into a packed room with more than 100 others for hours before a few C.D.C. officials came in and asked everyone if they had been to China or Italy. Only one man raised his hand, and everyone else was told they could leave after getting their temperatures taken, Mr. Mixon said.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 05:47
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All arrivals into Australia required to undergo 14 day self isolation

All visitors to Australia will have to self-isolate for 14 days from midnight Sunday, while cruise ships from international ports will also be banned
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...onavirus-rules
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 06:41
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e...heal-msh8zmwtb

Even coronavirus survivors can be left with lung damage that takes 15 years to heal

Thousands of coronavirus victims who survive serious illness will suffer damage to their lungs, heart and other organs, needing up to 15 years for recovery, say intensive care specialists.

The damage done by the virus directly, plus the intensive medical procedures needed to save desperately ill patients, will leave people with lung scarring, nerve damage and psychological trauma, according to warnings from the Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine (FICM), the professional body responsible for training intensive care doctors in the UK.

Its analysis of coronavirus cases in China and elsewhere shows that about 17% of people admitted to intensive care develop a condition called acute respiratory distress syndrome (Ards) — one of the most lethal conditions in medicine, with a mortality rate of about 40%........ In Ards the virus triggers a powerful inflammatory response across the lungs which causes fluids to leak from blood vessels into spaces that should be filled with air — making breathing impossible without medical assistance.

Intensive care doctors are familiar with Ards because it can happen in infections such as flu and pneumonia, as well as chest injuries. It accounts for about 10% of intensive care admissions, but coronavirus means the number of Ards patients will surge, creating a critical shortage of intensive care beds. The UK has about 4,000 such beds — far fewer per head than most EU countries — and about 80% are in use for people with other conditions.

“Ards kills 30-40% of patients,” said Michael Matthay, professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, a world expert on the disease. “There is no specific treatment except to sedate patients and put them on mechanical ventilators to let them recover . . . Survivors have significant exercise limitation and poor physical quality of life . . . related to marked muscle wasting and weakness.”........

Mark Griffiths, professor of critical care medicine at the National Heart and Lung Institute, London, and one of the UK’s leading Ards experts, said patients could take months or years to recover. “Survivors commonly suffer from muscle weakness and neuropsychiatric problems, such that fewer than 50% have returned to work 12 months after leaving intensive care,” he said in a paper. “[They also had] myriad physical disabilities including . . . joint contractures, tracheal stenosis, and cosmetic concerns related to scarring.”

The FICM said that some people could regain “apparently normal” lungs after six months, with minimal symptoms such as reduced ability to exercise, but added: “For some, however, it could take as long as 15 years for their lungs to recover.” It also warned of damage to other organs. “Like many other viral conditions, the effects of coronavirus are not just limited to the lungs. The heart can also be affected, ranging from inflammation (myocarditis) to heart failure.”

“For people who are seriously ill with coronavirus the outlook is very serious,” said Nicki Credland, a researcher in critical care at Hull University, who chairs the British Association of Critical Care Nurses. She warned of “tough choices” to come, with doctors potentially having to select whom they should save — a process known as triage. She said: “If we see the kind of numbers we’ve seen in Italy, then we will have to select those who are most likely to survive, and the rest will be in ordinary beds and have to take their chances.”

There may, however, be one cause for hope. This week US and UK scientists will announce that a long-running research programme to create the world’s first Ards therapy is to be fast-tracked by US medical agencies including the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority. Geoff Bellingan, medical director at University College London Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, has been testing the therapy, devised by Athersys, a US biotechnology company. It involves infusing specialised stem cells into the blood of Ards victims to halt the devastating lung inflammation it causes.

“The Ards trials are exciting,” said Bellingan. “Our treatment was able to halve mortality, reduce time spent in intensive care and give patients a big improvement in quality of life after they are discharged. With coronavirus threatening us, this could be very important.”

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Old 15th Mar 2020, 07:27
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Chile has quarantined more than 1,300 people aboard two cruise ships after an elderly Briton aboard one of them tested positive for the coronavirus, the health ministry announced Saturday. Both ships are cruising the Chilean fjords in Patagonia.

The 85-year-old man showed symptoms of the virus after getting off the Silver Explorer ship in the far southern port of Caleta Tortel, 2,400 kilometers (1,500 miles) from Santiago. The man was later transferred to a hospital in the city of Coyhaique where he tested positive for the virus.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 07:53
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There may, however, be one cause for hope.
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“The Ards trials are exciting,” said Bellingan. “Our treatment was able to halve mortality, reduce time spent in intensive care and give patients a big improvement in quality of life after they are discharged. With coronavirus threatening us, this could be very important.”
Hmmm. Important though that research might be for long-term improvement in treatment options for very seriously ill people, it is not going to make a meaningful impact on CoViD-19 outcomes this year, or next. In a world where there are 100x more people in need of ITU beds, than beds available, a high tech treatment like that will not help 99.99% of people. Especially if, as I assume, it requires infusion of patient-derived cells which will make it a very intense, slow and expensive process not suited to scaling-up.

Our best hope is with vaccines and treatments that knock down the virus very early on - not those which attempt to salvage a damaged lung after the virus has done its work and moved on.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 08:19
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People are baffled at why football matches involving Ipswich Town have been called off. The players can't pass anything to each other and the goalkeeper can't catch anything!
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 08:38
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Or arse - Well you certainly have one for a president SAS - he is now trying to buy the personnel and product of a scientific company in Tübingen, who are working on a vaccine!
Offering huge sums of money exclusively for use in the USA - you know - our great country...
This comes a week after he was pooh poohing the whole threat.
I wonder what Von der Leyen, who was trying to unify EU resources thinks about that little “smart” ruse?
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 09:04
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I don't envy the doctors in all this. It seems it will get to the point where life and death decisions have to be made as to access to intensive care. If, say, you were a 66 year old man, retired and therefore economically inactive, a life long smoker with no dependants lying on a bed next to a fit 35 year old employed diabetic with 3 young children, what would your decision be? At times like this I am glad I am a 58 year old fitness fanatic with a young wife and 6 children at home.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 09:13
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Hmmm! The Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, says measures to have the over 70s isolated are due in the next few weeks. I have already been wondering whether they will take me to a Magistrates Court or will it be the full Crown Court?
The term "it is only for your own good", or in Hancock's words "a very big ask of the elderly and vulnerable, but it is for their own protection" sounds ominous to me.
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