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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 14:21
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Boeing CEO resigns

According to the Washington Post Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg has just resigned and will be replaced by Board Chairman David L Calhoun. Still an evolving story, no other details were available at this moment.
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 14:27
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Unless they replace all of the top management - this is a meaningless gesture (except to appease investors and show they are "doing something")
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 14:31
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I would agree brak. The Board has culpability as well for some of the poor decision making that lead to Boeings current downfall in the eyes of the world.
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 14:34
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New York Times is saying he was fired. Merry Xmas indeed!
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 14:38
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This company is just crying out for an outsider to be parachuted in. Someone with no relations with anyone in the company or the FAA. These type of people usually sack the whole management team fairly quickly.

They should probably just poach someone from Airbus.

Now they have the scapegoat, they can start making expensive changes to the company and this fella will cop it all.
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 14:49
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They should probably just poach someone from Airbus.
John Leahy is available ...

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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 15:03
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So it is a Merry Christmas after all, might have to wait to see if it will be a Happy New Year!
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 15:17
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"Under the company's new leadership, Boeing will operate with a renewed commitment to full transparency, including effective and proactive communication with the FAA [Federal Aviation Authority], other global regulators and its customers."
Notice what they think that the problem is, essentially simply a failure to persuade the FAA to let the plane fly. Nothing about the engineering culture at Boeing, that is all irrelevant to the hedge fund guys. They believe that you can sell anything.
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 15:18
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Originally Posted by brak View Post
Unless they replace all of the top management - this is a meaningless gesture (except to appease investors and show they are "doing something")
Well Muilenberg has served the purpose of being a lightning rod for Boeing during the 737 max fiasco. He faced congress and answered all the questions. He was the sacrifice so the others, perhaps equally to blame were spared.
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 15:33
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
John Leahy is available ...
John will be turning 70 next year, and after his heart problems I guess he is more thinking of enjoying his retirement that jumping in a stressful post, how prestigious it may be. Also John is a very savvy marketing and salesman, not really a CEO coming to save a company , because frankly this is what the new management will have to do. It is not only the Max which needs to be fixed in Boeing right now..
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 15:39
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Calhoun will do the same thing for BA that he did for GE (well already has been)

Shareholder value is priority 1,2, and 3....

No pilots of stature on the BOD, and no Engineers....
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 15:46
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo View Post
This company is just crying out for an outsider to be parachuted in. Someone with no relations with anyone in the company or the FAA. These type of people usually sack the whole management team fairly quickly.

They should probably just poach someone from Airbus.

Now they have the scapegoat, they can start making expensive changes to the company and this fella will cop it all.
or just some “real” Boeing people to reverse the damage from the corporate changes after the MD merger. I just read, “Flight: Clarence ‘Kelly’ Johnson” and it’s interesting how the early manufactures operated. Every industry was better before the finance people came in with a different agenda.
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 15:55
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Originally Posted by Water pilot View Post
Notice what they think that the problem is, essentially simply a failure to persuade the FAA to let the plane fly. Nothing about the engineering culture at Boeing, that is all irrelevant to the hedge fund guys. They believe that you can sell anything.
That's exactly what they believe. And it makes no difference, at all, to them, what the "anything" might be. Because, whatever it is, the bean counters have taught them that the road to profit is paved with cost-cutting and a steely-eyed focus on quarterly results. It is an article of faith with them that it doesn't matter whether you make airplanes or electric can openers -- the same management model applies.
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 15:56
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It's about time. Muilenburg is a bean-counter. They need to appoint somebody with an engineering and technical background, not just another bean-counter. The replacement, at least temporary, is David Calhoun, the present chairman of the board. What are his qualifications? Perhaps he is part of the problem?
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 16:04
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Originally Posted by Gilmorrie View Post
It's about time. Muilenburg is a bean-counter. They need to appoint somebody with an engineering and technical background, not just another bean-counter. The replacement, at least temporary, is David Calhoun, the present chairman of the board. What are his qualifications? Perhaps he is part of the problem?
Actually, Muilenberg was an engineer. Calhoun runs a "private equity investing" group. His degree is in accounting.
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 16:13
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It's about time. Muilenburg is a bean-counter.
Maybe calling Dennis Muilenburg a bean counter is a little harsh. He is an engineer with two university level degrees in aerospace. I don't know how long he worked in the trenches before entering management but I wouldn't mind having his credentials.
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 16:28
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Maybe calling Dennis Muilenburg a bean counter is a little harsh. He is an engineer with two university level degrees in aerospace. I don't know how long he worked in the trenches before entering management but I wouldn't mind having his credentials.
from WSJ article I posted in Max thread yesterday

... After the failed space mission, Boeing’s new chairman, Dave Calhoun, on Friday stood by earlier televised comments backing Mr. Muilenburg. A Boeing spokesman said Sunday Mr. Calhoun stands by his endorsement.

Mr. Muilenburg, an engineer by training, came to lead Boeing after a long stint in the aerospace giant’s defense business that deals with governments rather than consumer-facing airlines.

People who have worked with him describe him as a linear thinker better suited at delivering bullet points than connecting with people.
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 16:33
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The big question for Boeing is when will they get their certification for the Max back. To protect and preserve its own back I cannot see the FAA agreeing to that on its own but as part of an agreement with EASA and others.

If the FAA issued a certification on its own and anything happened to a MAX the whole American aviation industry would be toast.
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 17:01
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Was Boeing responsible for programming the timer on the Orion? If so it shows a lack of attention to detail and quality checking.

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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 18:11
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Orion and Starliner are two different ships. Orion is designed to go beyond Low Earth Orbit. Starliner (tested last week with mixed results) goes only to the International Space Station. Starliner is the Boeing response to the commercial crew program of Nasa (alongside Space X Crew Dragon). Orion is a Nasa program subcontracted to Lockheed. Designs of Startliner and Orion are different and they are not in the same business and contract models. Boeing is the main contractor for SLS (which is the launcher of Orion).
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