War in Australia (any Oz Politics)
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War in Australia (any Oz Politics)
I see that the former Oxford 1.4 litre beer sconce pot record holder has died today. He always believed that his beer accomplishment endeared him to the Australian electorate, helping him become the longest serving Labor PM with four terms.
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Well, well, well .. We appear to have an election result which was not altogether expected 
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I almost feel sorry for Shorten. Poor bugger. He woke up yesterday morning expecting to be emperor, and it all turned to porridge. What to do with all that champagne ? (Perhaps they drank it anyway). There will be some sombre discussions to be had over the next weeks / months. Not the least of these will be in the board rooms of the pollsters...
.I almost feel sorry for Shorten. Poor bugger. He woke up yesterday morning expecting to be emperor, and it all turned to porridge. What to do with all that champagne ? (Perhaps they drank it anyway). There will be some sombre discussions to be had over the next weeks / months. Not the least of these will be in the board rooms of the pollsters...
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Originally Posted by FullOppositeRudder
................There will be some sombre discussions to be had over the next weeks / months. Not the least of these will be in the board rooms of the pollsters...
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Originally Posted by FullOppositeRudder
. ...There will be some sombre discussions to be had over the next weeks / months. Not the least of these will be in the board rooms of the pollsters...
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Big mistake threatening jobs in remote areas, plus Mrs Brown and his boys making a cameo appearance kinda backfired. As usual the pollsters dont talk to the 'country rabble'.
Bingo! Herbert bites the dust.
I also see the ABC commenting that ScoMo rode in on Clive's back, but they did not mention their continual free plugging for Curly, provided by themselves at taxpayers expense. Can hardly wait to see the smirks of the usual ABC morning crew tomorrow.
Bingo! Herbert bites the dust.
I also see the ABC commenting that ScoMo rode in on Clive's back, but they did not mention their continual free plugging for Curly, provided by themselves at taxpayers expense. Can hardly wait to see the smirks of the usual ABC morning crew tomorrow.
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It's like mana from heaven. No Tony Abbott, no Malcom Turnbull, no Julie Bishop and NO Bill Shorten.
No miracle. I think the electorate is finally getting the message that THEY have to pay for the pollies promises!
Christmas has come early this year. Thank you ScoMo!
No miracle. I think the electorate is finally getting the message that THEY have to pay for the pollies promises!
Christmas has come early this year. Thank you ScoMo!
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Whiskery; +1
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Living as I do in a house full of lefties with a constant diet of ABC and Fairfax,
As Takan Inchovit has mentioned, I too wait with interest to see the reaction of all the usual suspects of the ABC.
However, what do fellow Ppruners think is/were the reasons that all the polls and various electoral pundits, journos etc managed to get it so wrong?
My view is that only part of the reason could be the (to me anyway) seemingly sneering attitude of 'shifty' Shorten to Scott Morrison's religious beliefs. And maybe, just maybe, some of the swinging voter types were a bit worried about what Australia would be like if Bill Shorten was permitted to 'run Australia like a Union,' which he had previously stated was his intention if elected!
I also wonder just how much the Aussie Voter believes that Climate Change is really something we can actually do something about!
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The ABC and the rest of the luvvies will be having a quiet meltdown. And my opinion about why all the polling was wrong... it is seen a crime to think contrary to so called popular views. Say that you think that climate change is a total crock and your are screamed at, mention you are not so keen on mass immigration and you are labeled a racist. These outcrys come from
a small but very vocal minority.
The silent majority, when asked, don’t say how they really think, for fear of the backlash. And that’s why IMHO, the pollsters get it wrong, be it Shorten, Trump or Brexit.
a small but very vocal minority.
The silent majority, when asked, don’t say how they really think, for fear of the backlash. And that’s why IMHO, the pollsters get it wrong, be it Shorten, Trump or Brexit.
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I had to have a giggle when Tony Abbot said (Before Bob Hawke was even 24 hours deceased), that Bob had a "Labor Heart but a Liberal head"....well never a more true word said...Bob F##cked over the pilot populace just as a Liberal PM would!...Tony's comments before Bob turned stiff were tactless tasteless repugnant AND yet TRUE!!....The Silver Bodgies actions were exactly what a Liberal response would be!!!...in fact just as howard did with patricks...you could go so far as to say that Bob Hawke was the Liberal Partys pin up boy in dealing with Pilots Industrial relations
I betcha the likes of Oldmeadow & Leigh Clifford LOVED what Bob Hawke did in '89...they would have been like pigs in mud!!!....... Liberal Party donors and shameless chairmans club members...
I betcha the likes of Oldmeadow & Leigh Clifford LOVED what Bob Hawke did in '89...they would have been like pigs in mud!!!....... Liberal Party donors and shameless chairmans club members...
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The silent majority, when asked, don’t say how they really think, for fear of the backlash. And that’s why IMHO, the pollsters get it wrong, be it Shorten, Trump or Brexit.
Oh btw, how is your lefty Sister and her sandal wearing, lentil eating, basket weaving boyfriend
dealing with the election result? Or haven't you been game to ask?
I know I wouldn't be game to even say anything!!!!
BTW Fliegs; Re your post above; (20073) Said in my best north Queensland Fishandchip shop owner voice......."Please explain?"
Oh, and for what it's worth; Whilst I agree that it was not a good move for TA and BB (how I loathed that woman!!
) to be photographed in that situation, I still tend to have some sympathy for the sentiments displayed on the posters shown behind them!May I submit that there was more than a little truth in the sentiments conveyed by those posters.
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The green dills who took a convoy through coal and cattle country to try to get coal mines and live cattle exports stopped had the opposite effect of what they hoped for. And got their cars vandalised for good measure.
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Sorry about that...I don't know??...anyway...
Lets just see how the 'economic masters' fare when (if) the economy tanks....six years now of LNP at the helm...for at least the last 5.5 I have not heard a word of what they 'inherited' (the so called time bombs) and what they 'had to fix'....so it's fair to assume that what happens from here on in is the direct result of 6+ years of LNP management!??!?....will they 'own' it?....will they still blame K Rudd?, Gillard?...Keating? Hawke?..... where do you guys stop?
Hawke acted in a true "Liberal" sense....he acted as a Liberal PM would have done!.....yeah it was unpleasant for some...it was amazingly enriching ($$$$) for others...but Hawke acted like Howard did with the Wharfies...like it or not....howard would have done the EXACT same to the pilots union!!....and unlike Hawke...howard would still be relishing in the pain he could have unleashed upon you!
Probably one of howards big regrets really...he didn't get to shaft the pilots in '89...up agaainst a organised pilot union...anathema to howard...betcha he wishes he could have shafted us!...it is in his DNA!
Lets just see how the 'economic masters' fare when (if) the economy tanks....six years now of LNP at the helm...for at least the last 5.5 I have not heard a word of what they 'inherited' (the so called time bombs) and what they 'had to fix'....so it's fair to assume that what happens from here on in is the direct result of 6+ years of LNP management!??!?....will they 'own' it?....will they still blame K Rudd?, Gillard?...Keating? Hawke?..... where do you guys stop?
Hawke acted in a true "Liberal" sense....he acted as a Liberal PM would have done!.....yeah it was unpleasant for some...it was amazingly enriching ($$$$) for others...but Hawke acted like Howard did with the Wharfies...like it or not....howard would have done the EXACT same to the pilots union!!....and unlike Hawke...howard would still be relishing in the pain he could have unleashed upon you!
Probably one of howards big regrets really...he didn't get to shaft the pilots in '89...up agaainst a organised pilot union...anathema to howard...betcha he wishes he could have shafted us!...it is in his DNA!
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Pinky .. her sandal wearing partner is her girlfriend ( have no problem with that), but there is NO WAY I would ask about the election. The screaming would be heard in Japan. ( They are still yelling at me because of my views on Global Panda Bear Heating .. or whatever it’s called this week 👍
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If you want to bring in massive reform, it helps to be both a popular leader and to have convinced the electorate of the need for change. Otherwise, we are a change-resistant species.
Shorten was not popular outside his circle of fellow travellers, who, coincidentally, were also about the only ones supporting class warfare, wealth re-distribution and economically destructive virtue-signalling about climate change.
I can't say I predicted a Coalition win but I have not been surprised at the result to date. Once Turnbull was gone, the game changed significantly.
I'm still waiting for the count to be finalised, however. We are currently using a computer model and there may still be some twists to come.
Shorten was not popular outside his circle of fellow travellers, who, coincidentally, were also about the only ones supporting class warfare, wealth re-distribution and economically destructive virtue-signalling about climate change.
I can't say I predicted a Coalition win but I have not been surprised at the result to date. Once Turnbull was gone, the game changed significantly.
I'm still waiting for the count to be finalised, however. We are currently using a computer model and there may still be some twists to come.
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Originally Posted by CoodaShooda
If you want to bring in massive reform, it helps to be both a popular leader and to have convinced the electorate of the need for change. Otherwise, we are a change-resistant species.
Shorten was not popular outside his circle of fellow travellers, who, coincidentally, were also about the only ones supporting class warfare, wealth re-distribution and economically destructive virtue-signalling about climate change.
I can't say I predicted a Coalition win but I have not been surprised at the result to date. Once Turnbull was gone, the game changed significantly.
I'm still waiting for the count to be finalised, however. We are currently using a computer model and there may still be some twists to come.
Shorten was not popular outside his circle of fellow travellers, who, coincidentally, were also about the only ones supporting class warfare, wealth re-distribution and economically destructive virtue-signalling about climate change.
I can't say I predicted a Coalition win but I have not been surprised at the result to date. Once Turnbull was gone, the game changed significantly.
I'm still waiting for the count to be finalised, however. We are currently using a computer model and there may still be some twists to come.
Don't underestimate the general disdain for Bill. They'd have been far better off with, well, just about anyone.
I don't know who taught him his elocution but being able to run your clauses and phrases together would be a huge asset; make his every statement sound less as though it was scripted.
No spontaneity! No empathy! His bedroom conversation must be electrifying.
Hard to detect anything but ennui from Penny Wong on the ABC coverage on Saturday night.
If anyone knew beforehand that they were in for a tumble then it was Penny.
A pity; a very talented lady.
