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Old 15th May 2022, 11:55
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Given that the Liberals have become almost a party of coal industry handouts
Got some links to back up that statement.
And don't quote fuel rebates that is applicable to all who use fuel off road.
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Old 17th May 2022, 04:59
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The Australian electorate, and democracy, is (mostly) ok

My wife was handing out how-to-vote tickets at pre-polling today. She was telling me how friendly it was between the various supporters for the candidates.

They chatted to each other, bought each other coffees etc, shared snacks, and stood up any corflutes that had fallen down. She also had a chat to several of the candidates and partners who dropped by - not just for the party she was 'supporting'.

She was also saying the queue was never less than about 30-40 metres long for the 3 hours she was there. Will there be anyone who hasn't voted by next Saturday?
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Old 18th May 2022, 02:51
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Looks to me like a rerun of the Whitlam shambles coming up, oh well.
I showed my 23yo the "Its Time" campaign song. She was astounded that was all they offered and still got elected. The main difference between Albo and Whitlam is that the Labor party will be running Comrade Albo and making his deshishonsh for him rather than Comrade Whitlam governing by decree.
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Old 18th May 2022, 19:27
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It will be a dim "fyoo-cha" under Albo.
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Old 18th May 2022, 21:05
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A bleak future indeed when the policy is no longer coming from divine commandment.
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Old 19th May 2022, 01:06
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Getting awfully sick of "Freedom freedom freedom" and of pollies kissing babies and going to church. Why is it considered good for a pollie to be a bible basher, anyway?

At least there was a bit of levity when the kid got tackled by the PM.
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Old 19th May 2022, 01:23
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Albo announced on the ABC this morning that our borders are still closed.

And he wants to be PM?
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Old 19th May 2022, 22:54
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Albo announced on the ABC this morning that our borders are still closed.

And he wants to be PM?
The current guy during this campaign addressed a press pack as “Mr Speaker” several times......

People slip up, but I prefer to look at teams, actions and policies.

It’s an indictment on this campaign and the current state of Australian politics that we’ve lost sight of vision, of policy and reasoned discussion on the future of the nation. We’re descending into an American style partisan culture war filled with media gotcha nonsense and sensationalism.

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Getting awfully sick of "Freedom freedom freedom" and of pollies kissing babies and going to church. Why is it considered good for a pollie to be a bible basher, anyway?
Might be a slightly higher concentration of religious voters in marginals. There surely isn’t in wider Australian society.

But if you look at our politicians it is frightening to see how many of them are fundamentalist types, way way out of proportion to their representation in wider society. Some party branches have been stacked by church groups.

As Australia becomes less religious, our parliament becomes more so
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Old 20th May 2022, 03:29
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The current guy during this campaign addressed a press pack as “Mr Speaker” several times......
there is a very good reason why his own party has never put him in a serious portfolio like treasury,finance or defense. The only reason he hasn't been turfed out of the opposition leaders job is the internal rules that were put in after the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd fiasco. He is the Steven Bradbury of Labor politics.

It’s an indictment on this campaign and the current state of Australian politics that we’ve lost sight of vision, of policy and reasoned discussion on the future of the nation.
When was that ever the case? Politics in Australia has always been about a clash of ideology, sectarianism and religion, not necessarily in that order. The good thing about it is that there can be results and agreements that does benefit the greater society.

Might be a slightly higher concentration of religious voters in marginals. There surely isn’t in wider Australian society.
Thats a big statement when you start making claims on behalf of the wider Australian society or do you really mean the society that exists in the more affluent areas of the capital cities? When you talk of marginals are you referring to the marginal seats or the margins of society because they are two very different things. What I do know is that the margins of society like the homeless, addicts and sex workers who inhabit the inner city areas, are mainly looked after by organisations with names like, The Salvation Army, St Vincent DePaul and The Brotherhood of St Lawrence. If only the secular end of the wider society cared as much.

Some party branches have been stacked by church groups.
Shock horror, branch stacking! The ALP is rife with it. Yep church groups do it, communists do it, greens do it. I don't think that Christians should be part of a voting bloc or force a Christian agenda through the parliamentary process but if there are a lot of Christian politicians maybe it is part of their ethos that puts them on the path to politics. Maybe the secular people have different priorities.
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Old 20th May 2022, 05:46
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
What I do know is that the margins of society like the homeless, addicts and sex workers who inhabit the inner city areas, are mainly looked after by organisations with names like, The Salvation Army, St Vincent DePaul and The Brotherhood of St Lawrence. If only the secular end of the wider society cared as much.
Due to tax breaks given to religion. If churches had their tax advantages removed the extra money could be used to provide proper secular social support networks, and not rely on religious charities who often have ulterior motives than just altruistic care (recruitment of vulnerable persons into their religion).

there is a very good reason why his own party has never put him in a serious portfolio like treasury,
finance or defense.
Albo was Infrastructure minister for 6 years. Projects delivered on time and on budget. I'd consider infrastructure building to be as if not more important to this nation than tinkering with money or playing pretend general in terms of setting the nation up for the future. Maybe it's time to focus on leaders who are 'builders' not 'bulldozers". I'd also question the experience of the current government in 'finance' with their proposed 'Super for Houses' scheme.

Shock horror, branch stacking! The ALP is rife with it. Yep church groups do it, communists do it, greens do it. I don't think that Christians should be part of a voting bloc or force a Christian agenda through the parliamentary process but if there are a lot of Christian politicians maybe it is part of their ethos that puts them on the path to politics. Maybe the secular people have different priorities.
Stacking of the Liberal party by fundamentalist religious groups is something a few moderate Liberals are now starting to say is a big problem for the party:

The religious minority seizing power in the Liberal Party

The South Australian Liberal Party has frozen new memberships after an apparent Pentecostal takeover

WA Liberal survivor puts spotlight on right-wing churches

Evangelical Christians make up about 1% of all Australians.

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Old 20th May 2022, 11:07
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Due to tax breaks given to religion. If churches had their tax advantages removed the extra money could be used to provide proper secular social support networks, and not rely on religious charities who often have ulterior motives than just altruistic care (recruitment of vulnerable persons into their religion).
And here I was thinkin you were capable of rational thought instead of trotting out dogma. The Salvos have been working with the less well off and marginalized well before tax breaks for religious organisations were even an issue. You might like to research their history.

often have ulterior motives than just altruistic care (recruitment of vulnerable persons into their.(insert organisation here)
e.g. Scouts, schools, cricket coaches, swimming schools, gymanastics, AFL, Rugby Union, Rugby League etc etc.

I'd consider infrastructure building to be as if not more important to this nation than tinkering with money or playing pretend general in terms of setting the nation up for the future. Maybe it's time to focus on leaders who are 'builders' not 'bulldozers". I'd also question the experience of the current government in 'finance' with their proposed 'Super for Houses' scheme.
Nice Labor rhetoric and excuse for someone that even his only Party could not trust with the purse strings.

Stacking of the Liberal party by fundamentalist religious groups is something a few moderate Liberals are now starting to say is a big problem for the party:
Branch stacking is a problem for any party whether its Labor or Liberal. If it suits the individual power broke then they will do whatever they think it takes to get factional colleagues into positions of power. I actually agree with the Liberal moderates.

Enjoy casting your vote tomorrow. Its a privelege that we enjoy that too many people in this country take for granted.
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Old 21st May 2022, 01:46
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The Salvos have been working with the less well off and marginalized
Not of a religious bent myself, but when engaged in the search and rescue business in the 70's you could always guarantee the Salvos were there on site with a trailer handing out hot tea/coffee, sandwiches etc to all and sundry. Much admired their work, also their work with the military through their Red Shield Defence Services organisation.
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Old 21st May 2022, 04:08
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And the boats have started. No doubt, thinking the ALP is a sure winner in the election, the first boat from Sri Lanka has been intercepted. Does not take them long!
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Old 21st May 2022, 04:54
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Are we still pretending to care about boat people?
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Old 21st May 2022, 05:29
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And the boats have started. No doubt, thinking the ALP is a sure winner in the election, the first boat from Sri Lanka has been intercepted. Does not take them long!
Are you aware it is Liberal government policy to not comment on boat arrivals?

Scott Morrison breaks own rule against commenting on ‘on-water matters’ to confirm asylum boat intercepted

So why has this been ‘leaked’ to the Australian, and confirmed by Morrison, today of all days? And why has a spam text message been sent to voters today?

It’s very grubby electioneering
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Old 21st May 2022, 06:53
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Albo announced on the ABC this morning that our borders are still closed.

And he wants to be PM?
The boats are already on their way.
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Old 21st May 2022, 07:48
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At the polling booth today, a yellow-shirted rep for the Fat Slug Party looked at the "how to vote" paper I was carrying, and said, "Oh mate, they gave you the incorrect paper, this is the correct one."

"Far cough."
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Old 21st May 2022, 08:03
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Are you aware it is Liberal government policy to not comment on boat arrivals?

Scott Morrison breaks own rule against commenting on ‘on-water matters’ to confirm asylum boat intercepted

So why has this been ‘leaked’ to the Australian, and confirmed by Morrison, today of all days? And why has a spam text message been sent to voters today?

It’s very grubby electioneering
Yes very grubby indeed. The other side would never stoop so low, would it?

“Labor has reheated its 'Mediscare' campaign for the 2022 election.”


Both tribes have convinced their followers (and perhaps themselves) that the sky will fall in if the other tribe wins: therefore the ends justify ANY means.
This is not good for democracy and ultimately is an insult to the electorate.

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101076352

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Old 21st May 2022, 10:08
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Albo was Infrastructure minister for 6 years. Projects delivered on time and on budget. I'd consider infrastructure building to be as if not more important to this nation than tinkering with money or playing pretend general in terms of setting the nation up for the future. Maybe it's time to focus on leaders who are 'builders' not 'bulldozers".

T'was Albo as transport minister (with some help from Peter Garrett) who gave the thumbs up to the master plans to turn the federal airports into concrete jungles and move the focus from aviation. Every day when I go to work I have to drive past massive warehouses where once there was pristine wildlife habitat. I'd say "Bulldozer" describes him perfectly.
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Old 21st May 2022, 11:38
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In 1997 the Federal Airports Corporation managed 22 airports.

In that year the government announced the decision to privatise the airports. I'm pretty sure that was during the Howard years.
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