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Old 13th Dec 2019, 16:29
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It is easy to brush of the content as satire or sardonic commentary, however to my mind the context in which this missive was written is overlaid with a not so thin veneer of bitterness and rage.

You don't need a degree in psychiatry to recognise that some serious personal issues were rampaging around during the drafting of this "piece" almost to the point of inciting violence.

Listening to some of the vitriol being spewed out by other candidates after being defeated today, just confirmed that they were nothing more than thugs in electoral garments.

Good riddance I say, to some very nasty people

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Old 13th Dec 2019, 16:57
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I have not heard a decent, fact based argument about why the Lib Dems did so badly. They had two daft policies, removing Art 50 with no referendum, and the one about Trans folk becoming instant wimmin, which got birth-based wimmin up in arms.
But why did they do quite so badly?

As to the vitriol spouted by the Grauniad, some of those writers are multi-millionaires, so I just will not read their articles. And I probably know more Marx than they do. I just don't believe it.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 17:01
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
I have not heard a decent, fact based argument about why the Lib Dems did so badly. They had two daft policies, removing Art 50 with no referendum, and the one about Trans folk becoming instant wimmin, which got birth-based wimmin up in arms.
But why did they do quite so badly?
Let me answer with just four letters: FPTP

As to the vitriol spouted by the Grauniad, some of those writers are multi-millionaires, so I just will not read their articles. And I probably know more Marx than they do. I just don't believe it.
Well. In my humble opinion, the people behind Brexit and instigating it are millionaires and billionaires who want everything but the upcoming 'tax avoidance ruling' from the EU. Congrats, guys, you've won...
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 17:24
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Originally Posted by Imagegear View Post
It is easy to brush of the content as satire or sardonic commentary, however to my mind the context in which this missive was written is overlaid with a not so thin veneer of bitterness and rage.

You don't need a degree in psychiatry to recognise that some serious personal issues were rampaging around during the drafting of this "piece" almost to the point of inciting violence.

Listening to some of the vitriol being spewed out by other candidates after being defeated today, just confirmed that they were nothing more than thugs in electoral garments.

Good riddance I say, to some very nasty people

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I haven't got a degree in Psychiatry, so maybe this is the reason I cannot see any incitement to violence in the article Of course, if you can exemplify your claim with relevant un-edited textual quotes from the piece, please do.

I can, however, recognise the content of many posts which show the subliminal narrative and that's where the posters give themselves away.....several spring easily to mind. You may be shocked to learn, that, I have some experience of questioning techniques and evaluating responses. Comes in useful in the real world and on here.

Hence whilst all is currently "sweetness and light " as is to be expected, it won't be long before the underlying vitriol, good word vitriol, surfaces in our new Gov't.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 17:36
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Corbyn-useless, Labour never learned from Blair that you win by appealing to the centre
Boris is lying fraud but he is quite charming compared to Corbyn who was just Sun Scum fodder
Of course the reality doesnt change and while a few glitzy promises will be made nothing will save the reality that we are f+++ed in every trade negotiation because we are alone and desperate.

Of course there our great political system where 45 % vote for Boris and 55% dont and he still ends up as PM and we have to modify ur outdated system so you vote for a leader-maybe he is called president not lots of little competitions where you end up with a leader chosen by someone else. In this election voting for personalities was a big thing.
if all boris promises are true I personally will be much better off but I somehow doubt that based on past experiences and my conscience tells me that if we are such a great country why are there so many homeless in the wealthy Surrey town I live in which returned Michael Gove with a reduced but still huge majority, I suppose the new Government will solve this problem by letting them just die in the winter months.

So for me a good result for my bank balance but a bad result for family's both offspring have left for EU countries where they see a much brighter future than UK .

C'est la vie

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Old 13th Dec 2019, 17:40
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Although I don't believe that he has posted on this thread, for some reason the moniker of our colleague "Lafyar Cokov" keeps coming to mind since 2200 last evening......

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Old 13th Dec 2019, 18:08
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
It will take a bit longer than that. After all the first stage of Brexit took 3.5 years and the second stage hasn't started yet. I reckon five years from the date of a positive Scottish Indyref.
A more interesting question is what will the new country be called? "United Kingdom of England and Wales" just sounds daft.
Britain, surely
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 18:27
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AO's query is succinctly answered by thormos - FPTP indeed. Such corrupt manipulation of voter's wishes ought to be a source of shame in any so-called civilised country but too many financially interested parties in the UK to acknowledge that the system is rotten. There appears to be a strange reluctance to deal with numbers on this forum but I find the following comparisons interesting :-
Tory vote 2017 -13636684: in 2019 -13966565 - increase = 329881
Lib Dem vote 2017 - 2371861: in 2019 - 3696423 - increase = 1,324,562
One can well understand the reluctance of so many contributors here to deal with numbers - the FACTS make the constant reference to 'Democracy' utterly fatuous.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 18:30
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 18:45
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Interesting to hear Pfeffel's "healing" speech. My personal view is that to see this administration's likely trajectory we need only look 23 miles from our shore.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 18:48
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Britain, surely
Lesser Britain?

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Old 13th Dec 2019, 18:57
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
Lesser Britain?

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what about...
- small britain
- the country formerly known as 'great' britain
- irrelevant britain
?

Sorry, i wouldn't usually mock another country like this, but the UK is asking for this...
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 19:00
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We could sue, but I'm sure that a "fair comment " defence would see you acquitted.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 20:07
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Charlie, Its a terrible thing to feel unhappy in the place you live and leaving is a huge endeavour.
I don't have a great amount of money but if there is there anything else I can do to help with your relocation please let me know
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 20:09
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Charlie, Its a terrible thing to feel unhappy in the place you live and leaving is a huge endeavour.
I don't have a great amount of money but if there is there anything else I can do to help with your relocation please let me know
If that's for me, I have no idea why.

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Old 13th Dec 2019, 20:47
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The blond didn't win this. Corbyn lost it for the Labour party.
An election of two parts. One part to get Boris in and the other to keep Corbyn out.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 21:13
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A Republican majority in NI. They’ll be baying for a unity referendum after all this. That would be like the Brexit referendum with added car bombs and murder on both sides of the Irish sea.

It is nice to see Arlene get a kick in the teeth though, and Dodds get the boot.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 21:40
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
AO's query is succinctly answered by thormos - FPTP indeed. Such corrupt manipulation of voter's wishes ought to be a source of shame in any so-called civilised country but too many financially interested parties in the UK to acknowledge that the system is rotten. There appears to be a strange reluctance to deal with numbers on this forum but I find the following comparisons interesting :-
Tory vote 2017 -13636684: in 2019 -13966565 - increase = 329881
Lib Dem vote 2017 - 2371861: in 2019 - 3696423 - increase = 1,324,562
One can well understand the reluctance of so many contributors here to deal with numbers - the FACTS make the constant reference to 'Democracy' utterly fatuous.
But this is nothing new is it. In 1997 the Labour party polled about 13.5 m votes and the Conservatives and Liberals polled about 14.8m but Tony Blair became Prime Minister, so over time one or other party will benefit on the nod.

I get that smaller parties won't get a look in on this system, but we had a referendum on AV and the electorate didn't like that either.

I do wonder if for some reason here politics (in the UK) is unable to operate in the same multi party coalition way that many of our European neighbors do. I don't know why this should be, but voters here generally seem to like FPTP because it usually delivers governments that can actually do things. In this case we've had years of toothless hung parliaments out tiny majorities that haven't delivered anything and that cycle has just been broken. I think that they also accept that on some occasions they will be on the losing end. It's about seats not votes. I'm sure there are many on here more expert than I, but if you start looking into it I'm sure you'll find many other vagaries, like the fact that some constituencies have, say, 35000 voters whereas others have maybe 60000 but they still get one MP each.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 23:33
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I like many others joined the labour party for 3 in order to vote Corbyn as leader. We all did that to ensure the demise of the labour party as was. (The Blair years may spring to mind) I and many others were trying to destroy the labour party as it was from within. Although please understand that I and many others did so from a platform of a socialist ethos - bit like 'for the many and not the few'

When we cast our vote I and many others could not have imagined how Corbyn had accepted 'Momentum' etc. So it proved to be.

My 3 has proved to be a very good investment as it turns out, but at times I was extremely worried.

Now the labour party has to re-invent itself.

In this election the electorate have seen through momentum etc. They have seen the abhorrent anti-Semitism. They have seen through the magic money trees - I could go on.

As for Johnson. What a lucky man he was to face such a ridiculous opposition.

Just maybe the labour party will reform to present itself as a credible party again, and one that I can vote for again. A party that for once can chuck out all those who hold anti-Semitic views. A party that actually understands that in order to help the underprivileged it must do all it can to support business and therefore the economy.

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Old 14th Dec 2019, 00:47
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
I have not heard a decent, fact based argument about why the Lib Dems did so badly. They had two daft policies, removing Art 50 with no referendum, and the one about Trans folk becoming instant wimmin, which got birth-based wimmin up in arms.
But why did they do quite so badly?

Looking at other places and listening to few conversations (including some at home) their whole policy regarding gender really really pd off a lot of people.
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