UK Politics Hamsterwheel Mk III
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That is the crux of the matter, whether that majority the Conservatives have within Westminster will translate into the WA being ratified is something to await and see, but knowing the muppet show 'stars' within that establishment, that is still not a given, I am waiting the next round of court cases and stalling attempts from those that have been quite successful to date with those methods.
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Join Date: Dec 2002
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GB, my 52-48 split was from John Curtice's analysis.
What is far more import is the huge disparity between votes and seats. The LD has far more votes than the SNP with fewer seats. SNP 48 seats and 1,242,372 against LD with 11 seats and 3,675,342 votes.
Against the Tories, pro rata they would have had over 480 seats. It just points up the disproportionate representation of Scotland in the Westminster Parliament.
Looking at NI, DUP got 8 seats with 244,128 votes.
The real losers in our system is the LD.
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The real losers in our system is (are?) the LD.
Certainly they could feel badly done by but "the real losers" are the UK's citizens being 'sold' a 'Democratic' system which is more corrupt than anything to be found in some Third World backwater. With the 'System' being supported (tacitly or more directly) by ALL the media outlets, fairness or even-handedness is always going to be a myth. That so many people believe they live in a country offering freedom of political choice can only be indicative of uninterest, naivete or ignorance. Take your pick!
Certainly they could feel badly done by but "the real losers" are the UK's citizens being 'sold' a 'Democratic' system which is more corrupt than anything to be found in some Third World backwater. With the 'System' being supported (tacitly or more directly) by ALL the media outlets, fairness or even-handedness is always going to be a myth. That so many people believe they live in a country offering freedom of political choice can only be indicative of uninterest, naivete or ignorance. Take your pick!
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This result is like winning the Six Nations, the Champions League, Hamilton picking up his 6th World title - all rolled into one.
Unlike the Referendum, this is a result that can't be argued with.. The departure of Dennis Skinner, Chuka Umunna, Laura Pidcock is especially welcome after all that unseemly gloating after Portillo's defeat in 1997 - not to mention farewell to that "Prime Minister-in-waiting" Jo Swinson.. .
I will be easing a cork out of a good bottle of wine tonight.
Unlike the Referendum, this is a result that can't be argued with.. The departure of Dennis Skinner, Chuka Umunna, Laura Pidcock is especially welcome after all that unseemly gloating after Portillo's defeat in 1997 - not to mention farewell to that "Prime Minister-in-waiting" Jo Swinson.. .
I will be easing a cork out of a good bottle of wine tonight.
Join Date: May 2002
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Is it too early to start predicting dates for the break up of the union? The official opposition needs to pick a new cult leader and will probably be out of the picture for the next 5 or 10 years which leaves the SNP as an acting opposition party of sorts.
My first guess will be 2021.
My first guess will be 2021.
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Is it too early to start predicting dates for the break up of the union? The official opposition needs to pick a new cult leader and will probably be out of the picture for the next 5 or 10 years which leaves the SNP as an acting opposition party of sorts.
My first guess will be 2021.
My first guess will be 2021.
A more interesting question is what will the new country be called? "United Kingdom of England and Wales" just sounds daft.
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Now Labour's giveaway was slashing commuter season tickets for hundreds of thousands saving ££££. It seems that the only beneficiaries were those that actually travelled by train; that it applied only where both members of the family had season tickets; that you travelling 5 days per week. When they drilled down to the basic facts, only less than 0.01% of voters would benefit.
Indeed the average voter could see straight through all the bluster and probably voted for the one that told fewer porkies.
Join Date: May 2002
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It will take a bit longer than that. After all the first stage of Brexit took 3.5 years and the second stage hasn't started yet. I reckon five years from the date of a positive Scottish Indyref.
A more interesting question is what will the new country be called? "United Kingdom of England and Wales" just sounds daft.
A more interesting question is what will the new country be called? "United Kingdom of England and Wales" just sounds daft.
Maybe 5 years is more realistic, that gives me time to plan my possible repatriation.
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I remember another item from the programme I mentioned above, it concerned party funding. You had to imagine counting £10 notes at the rate of one per second. You could doubt be the donations to the SNP in about 15 minutes. With the Greens 45 minutes. The LD or Brexit (I can't remember). For Labour it was about 5 days. For the Tories you would be counting to Christmas Eve.
The next question was how effective this spending would be. From the result of would appear obvious though the SNP achieved the best return on expenditure.
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Got one from each of the Conservative and Labour pushed through the letterbox and another from each that was addressed and came through mail. No envelope, just a printed address, one each for the spouse and I.
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I see that Gina Miller is back:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...on-news-latest
So it starts already and the euphoria has not quite died down yet, so how long is she and her ilk going to keep delaying the inevitable and causing more delays, uncertainty and division, as that is all they have managed to do to date.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...on-news-latest
So it starts already and the euphoria has not quite died down yet, so how long is she and her ilk going to keep delaying the inevitable and causing more delays, uncertainty and division, as that is all they have managed to do to date.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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I see the knives are out and the internal battle beginning amongst the Labour media.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-manifesto-antisemitism-brexit
Devoid of agility, charisma and credibility, Corbyn has led Labour into the abyss
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-manifesto-antisemitism-brexit
Devoid of agility, charisma and credibility, Corbyn has led Labour into the abyss
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I am often at odds with the utterings of the Grauniad but I am disgusted that they would stoop so low as to give a single column inch to this moron.
I expect to regret placing this link here but it demonstrates vividly, everything that is wrong with the loony left media. Some people will go to their grave carrying such a massive burden.
Grauniad Bile
IG
I expect to regret placing this link here but it demonstrates vividly, everything that is wrong with the loony left media. Some people will go to their grave carrying such a massive burden.
Grauniad Bile
IG
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It is reassuring that some things haven't changed. The Buffoon's talent for apt remarks has not deserted him, obviously!
News website -
Unfortunately, he's too thick and self-centred to see the irony.
News website -
Every major A&E misses wait target for first time
Bullingdon Buffoon - " Let the healing begin"Unfortunately, he's too thick and self-centred to see the irony.
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I see the knives are out and the internal battle beginning amongst the Labour media.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-manifesto-antisemitism-brexit
Devoid of agility, charisma and credibility, Corbyn has led Labour into the abyss
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-manifesto-antisemitism-brexit
Devoid of agility, charisma and credibility, Corbyn has led Labour into the abyss
Let the institutions fall and out with the dreamers
It's a fundamental question ..... do we govern with our dream or the reality of the present?
Thought police antagonist
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I am often at odds with the utterings of the Grauniad but I am disgusted that they would stoop so low as to give a single column inch to this moron.
I expect to regret placing this link here but it demonstrates vividly, everything that is wrong with the loony left media. Some people will go to their grave carrying such a massive burden.
Grauniad Bile
IG
I expect to regret placing this link here but it demonstrates vividly, everything that is wrong with the loony left media. Some people will go to their grave carrying such a massive burden.
Grauniad Bile
IG
As with so many on here, satire / sardonic commentary seems to be an alien and unknown concept to you......
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...longer-gripped