UK Politics Hamsterwheel Mk III

[The Nip]

Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator

TN, that was strictly TiC intended to wind up CJ (Who is in on my ignore list).

My apologies

[Exrigger]

Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt

The EU just announced they have set their priorities for the future negotiations.

First thing first, let's see how quickly the UK will have the WA ratified.

That is the crux of the matter, whether that majority the Conservatives have within Westminster will translate into the WA being ratified is something to await and see, but knowing the muppet show 'stars' within that establishment, that is still not a given, I am waiting the next round of court cases and stalling attempts from those that have been quite successful to date with those methods.

[Pontius Navigator]

Originally Posted by Groundbased

But I think what this result shows is that the Remain side is not in the majority. Fortunately for the Conservatives, they also didn't buy into the Labour Party manifesto, or their leader.

ORAC, my analysis was a wind up.

GB, my 52-48 split was from John Curtice's analysis.

What is far more import is the huge disparity between votes and seats. The LD has far more votes than the SNP with fewer seats. SNP 48 seats and 1,242,372 against LD with 11 seats and 3,675,342 votes.

Against the Tories, pro rata they would have had over 480 seats. It just points up the disproportionate representation of Scotland in the Westminster Parliament.

Looking at NI, DUP got 8 seats with 244,128 votes.

The real losers in our system is the LD.

[Cornish Jack]

The real losers in our system is (are?) the LD.
Certainly they could feel badly done by but "the real losers" are the UK's citizens being 'sold' a 'Democratic' system which is more corrupt than anything to be found in some Third World backwater. With the 'System' being supported (tacitly or more directly) by ALL the media outlets, fairness or even-handedness is always going to be a myth. That so many people believe they live in a country offering freedom of political choice can only be indicative of uninterest, naivete or ignorance. Take your pick!

[sidevalve]

This result is like winning the Six Nations, the Champions League, Hamilton picking up his 6th World title - all rolled into one.
Unlike the Referendum, this is a result that can't be argued with.. The departure of Dennis Skinner, Chuka Umunna, Laura Pidcock is especially welcome after all that unseemly gloating after Portillo's defeat in 1997 - not to mention farewell to that "Prime Minister-in-waiting" Jo Swinson.. .
I will be easing a cork out of a good bottle of wine tonight.

[Grayfly]

Is it too early to start predicting dates for the break up of the union? The official opposition needs to pick a new cult leader and will probably be out of the picture for the next 5 or 10 years which leaves the SNP as an acting opposition party of sorts.

My first guess will be 2021.

[denachtenmai]

Anyone who thinks that I would read a link to a rag that asks for money when opened should think again.

[Sallyann1234]

Originally Posted by Grayfly

Is it too early to start predicting dates for the break up of the union? The official opposition needs to pick a new cult leader and will probably be out of the picture for the next 5 or 10 years which leaves the SNP as an acting opposition party of sorts.

My first guess will be 2021.

It will take a bit longer than that. After all the first stage of Brexit took 3.5 years and the second stage hasn't started yet. I reckon five years from the date of a positive Scottish Indyref.
A more interesting question is what will the new country be called? "United Kingdom of England and Wales" just sounds daft.

[Pontius Navigator]

Originally Posted by Nige321

Has it occured to you that the average voter could see straight through Komrade Korbyn's fantasy spending plans and realised that he was saying anything to get into power?

There was an excellent programme on Radio 4 on Monday morning that analysed all the political tripe. To be even I will start with Tories claiming to have reduced homelessness since 2010. It was actually a selective use of terminology so you missed the truth. Similarly SNP claimed their education achievement out then in 5th position out of 36 countries. Close but no banana as they missed out 4 countries such as Estonia and USA. They were actually 9th. They failed to mention the England was one point less but the margin of error was something like 10. They also failed to mention that they only referenced English and their maths and science was well below England's.

Now Labour's giveaway was slashing commuter season tickets for hundreds of thousands saving ££££. It seems that the only beneficiaries were those that actually travelled by train; that it applied only where both members of the family had season tickets; that you travelling 5 days per week. When they drilled down to the basic facts, only less than 0.01% of voters would benefit.

Indeed the average voter could see straight through all the bluster and probably voted for the one that told fewer porkies.

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[Grayfly]

Originally Posted by Sallyann1234

It will take a bit longer than that. After all the first stage of Brexit took 3.5 years and the second stage hasn't started yet. I reckon five years from the date of a positive Scottish Indyref.
A more interesting question is what will the new country be called? "United Kingdom of England and Wales" just sounds daft.

England, just like it has always been called.

Maybe 5 years is more realistic, that gives me time to plan my possible repatriation.

[Pontius Navigator]

Originally Posted by keyboard flier

From my own locality, the Tory (who was the standing MP) candidate's literature had pictures of them and the PM along with things done and planning to do.

As a matter of interest, was this in a personally address and sealed envelope? That is what we got. A lot more style.

I remember another item from the programme I mentioned above, it concerned party funding. You had to imagine counting £10 notes at the rate of one per second. You could doubt be the donations to the SNP in about 15 minutes. With the Greens 45 minutes. The LD or Brexit (I can't remember). For Labour it was about 5 days. For the Tories you would be counting to Christmas Eve.

The next question was how effective this spending would be. From the result of would appear obvious though the SNP achieved the best return on expenditure.

[rustle]

Lots of people think snp winning a few extra seats in Scotland means something, but in the grand scheme of things where at best they have 50 of 650 seats, WGAF?

[keyboard flier]

Got one from each of the Conservative and Labour pushed through the letterbox and another from each that was addressed and came through mail. No envelope, just a printed address, one each for the spouse and I.

[Exrigger]

I see that Gina Miller is back:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...on-news-latest

So it starts already and the euphoria has not quite died down yet, so how long is she and her ilk going to keep delaying the inevitable and causing more delays, uncertainty and division, as that is all they have managed to do to date.

[denachtenmai]

Just watched arch leftie Ken Loach try and defend Corbyn, evidently it was all the fault of the press and the BBC why he lost.
The BBC?? FFs Boris' biggest enemy, apart from a couple on here.

[ORAC]

I see the knives are out and the internal battle beginning amongst the Labour media.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-manifesto-antisemitism-brexit

Devoid of agility, charisma and credibility, Corbyn has led Labour into the abyss

[Imagegear]

I am often at odds with the utterings of the Grauniad but I am disgusted that they would stoop so low as to give a single column inch to this moron.

I expect to regret placing this link here but it demonstrates vividly, everything that is wrong with the loony left media. Some people will go to their grave carrying such a massive burden.

Grauniad Bile

IG

[Cornish Jack]

It is reassuring that some things haven't changed. The Buffoon's talent for apt remarks has not deserted him, obviously!
News website -

Every major A&E misses wait target for first time

Bullingdon Buffoon - " Let the healing begin"
Unfortunately, he's too thick and self-centred to see the irony.

[lomapaseo]

Originally Posted by ORAC

I see the knives are out and the internal battle beginning amongst the Labour media.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-manifesto-antisemitism-brexit

Devoid of agility, charisma and credibility, Corbyn has led Labour into the abyss

Finally "Trump" has a kind friend in the British electorate.

Let the institutions fall and out with the dreamers

It's a fundamental question ..... do we govern with our dream or the reality of the present?

[Krystal n chips]

Originally Posted by Imagegear

I am often at odds with the utterings of the Grauniad but I am disgusted that they would stoop so low as to give a single column inch to this moron.

I expect to regret placing this link here but it demonstrates vividly, everything that is wrong with the loony left media. Some people will go to their grave carrying such a massive burden.

Grauniad Bile

IG

You seem to have made an error with the title of the link hence the correct title is now displayed below.

As with so many on here, satire / sardonic commentary seems to be an alien and unknown concept to you......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...longer-gripped