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Old 8th Apr 2021, 17:23
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Originally Posted by Geordie_Expat View Post
Apart from your obsession with all things German, why buy car tyres from Germany ? There are countless tyre suppliers in this country that would doubtless appreciate your custom (in your own country). Seems this is taking your love for the EU to ludicrous extremes.
So where, in your myopic opinion, does that leave me I wonder ?......with my "obsession " for eating imported German food and drinking German beer for example.

Anyway, back to Dave and how Dave decided a bit of chumism and cosying up to Rishi was in order when some tax payers revenues could come in jolly useful....after all, the rest of a very select few were gorging themselves so why should Dave be deprived !...the wording of the texts is "interesting " however as is the decision to release them....

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Old 8th Apr 2021, 17:31
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
Err, not really, I had a similar experience....

Ordered some Le Mans merchandise from the ACO in France a month ago. For my Son's birthday in May, so figured I'd plan ahead to avoid the inevitable Brexit induced delays. Lo and behold within 4 working days the items were on my doorstep.

As for the shipping of Tyres and Pens half way across Europe, when there's plenty of choice literally on the doorstep, then not sure what to say to that!? But I think we can rest easy that the "average" Brexit voter wont be going to such lengths to secure these everyday items, so it'll take more than this limited disruption for the LibDems to be soaring ahead in the polls
Trading is clearly very different where you live. You have door to door travelling salesmen selling pens and tyres?
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 17:56
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Trading is clearly very different where you live. You have door to door travelling salesmen selling pens and tyres?

Amazon sell them and will deliver tomorrow.
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 17:59
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My reference was to " Literally on the doorstep".
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 18:06
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I stood with my I pad on the ‘doorstep’ and placed an order, it was delivered next day by Amazon.

If you buy from a salesmen who knock on your door, you live in a strange part of the world.

On the other hand you may have known exactly what Andrew meant but decided as usual to cause controversy.
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 18:20
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As per. Nods sagely.
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 18:21
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On other events. It's all kicking off in NI. PSNI unable to keep the lid on. I wonder how long it will be before Tubs has to deploy the army. Brexit - the gift that keeps on giving.
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 20:23
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post

Anyway, back to Dave and how Dave decided a bit of chumism and cosying up to Rishi was in order when some tax payers revenues could come in jolly useful....after all, the rest of a very select few were gorging themselves so why should Dave be deprived !...the wording of the texts is "interesting " however as is the decision to release them....

Greensill lobbying row: Rishi Sunak texts to David Cameron released - BBC News
This one has the potential to get "interesting" doesn't it? I mean, who'd have thought it, call me Dave, calling in a favour from the chumocracy 🤣

The very same ex-PM that got the whole establishment onboard to fabricate Project Fear, precisely so this kind of multinational chumocracy could be preserved

As for dishy Rishi if those texts released are the "best" of the lot then any further, more damaging ones, could signal the end of a national love affair.

Popcorn at the ready for this one....
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 20:34
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
On other events. It's all kicking off in NI. PSNI unable to keep the lid on. I wonder how long it will be before Tubs has to deploy the army. Brexit - the gift that keeps on giving.
I suspect we're some way off that EM, unless you think the Army should be deployed in Bristol as well?

As is always the case with NI there's no single overriding factor here and its noticeable that Loyalist "groups" appear to be distancing themselves from this violence. We'll see what happens over the coming days/weeks I guess, but hopefully a number of political interventions (and the easing of lockdown restrictions) will ease tensions. Regardless of your views on NI I don't think anyone would wish for a return to the bad old days.
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 22:02
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The words a**holes and bunch off comes to mind, rearrange into a sentence, pathetic excuse to kick off again, everyone knew the border issues would take a while to sort out and settle down, both sides need to sort it, not just the U.K., it’s down to a bunch of Cnuts on both sides, the so called political groups for the decisions they took in the first place, and another bunch of those in Ireland with their own agenda “controlling” the ignorant, who probably don’t know what they are doing and why.

It always struck me that during the troubles they were controlled by a very very minority of hard core and their subversive ideology.
I for one always believed setting up a border between two parts of the U.K. you were going to be on a hiding to nothing and it’s proved correct. The place to have put it would have been between the EU and Eire if you were going down that idea, that way Eire and NI or the U.K. the borders would have stayed as is.

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Old 8th Apr 2021, 22:39
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Nutloose:
I for one always believed setting up a border between two parts of the U.K. you were going to be on a hiding to nothing and it’s proved correct. The place to have put it would have been between the EU and Eire if you were going down that idea, that way Eire and NI or the U.K. the borders would have stayed as is.
This is nonsense on stilts. Put a border between the EU and Eire (sic)? The place you call Eire is part of the EU. Even if it wasn't, the UK has no power whatever to decide what if any border there should be between "Eire" and other places which are independent of the UK. It sounds like something written in 1921, not 2021.
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 22:39
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And exactly how do you go about putting a border between the EU and Eire? Just asking, I would be very interested to hear of your scheme and exactly how it fits in with international politics.
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 23:28
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Originally Posted by Economics101 View Post
Nutloose:

This is nonsense on stilts. Put a border between the EU and Eire (sic)? The place you call Eire is part of the EU. Even if it wasn't, the UK has no power whatever to decide what if any border there should be between "Eire" and other places which are independent of the UK. It sounds like something written in 1921, not 2021.
Hold on you are not thinking about this, yes Eire is part of the EU and independent of the U.K.

BUT

NI is part of the U.K. and is now independent of the EU

So in your argument the U.K. has no power to decide if or what border should be between Eire or any other Country BUT you are in effect saying the EU HAS the power to decide what border should be between NI and any other Country including the rest of the U.K who no longer are part of the EU.

Now I realise this shambolic fix was put in place as a fix to get Brexit through but if you think about it the EU has borders in place between the U.K. and itself, so why would it be too dfficult to adopt the same system to control imports to NI and the U.K. through Eire.

Any country in the EU would simply need to ensure the “ paperwork “ for items for onward delivery through NI would simply adhere to the same format as those travelling between the EU and say England.. That way the U.K. integrity and that of the NI Eire border would be protected?
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 04:37
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
This one has the potential to get "interesting" doesn't it? I mean, who'd have thought it, call me Dave, calling in a favour from the chumocracy 🤣

The very same ex-PM that got the whole establishment onboard to fabricate Project Fear, precisely so this kind of multinational chumocracy could be preserved

As for dishy Rishi if those texts released are the "best" of the lot then any further, more damaging ones, could signal the end of a national love affair.

Popcorn at the ready for this one....
It isn't popcorn that springs to mind here......well mine anyway. More tumbrils, knitting needles, drum rolls......and a satisfying " thud ! " thereafter. Politically speaking of course, although a re-enactment of such would be entertaining to watch...with popcorn. You get the impression, Rishi is more than a shade concerned as to his pristine image becoming tarnished here.

Dave appears to have been offering his begging bowl in front of anybody whom he clearly felt may suddenly be of use to him. However, it's the Treasury's statement at the end that would make Sir Humphrey proud !

Rishi Sunak told David Cameron he had ‘pushed the team’ over Greensill | Rishi Sunak | The Guardian

Elsewhere, Gav continues to demonstrate why Sir Alan Duncan described him perfectly, as CJ mentioned on here, he has the advantage of knowing him personaly,.....but Gav and hypocrisy have long been close associates.....and a mention for that nice Mr Gove as well....along with what can best be described as a ruthless attack on poor households thus ensuring any aspirations and potential are negated almost at birth....which some of you may have missed.

While Williamson calls for discipline, our children’s hopes crumble around them | Gavin Williamson | The Guardian

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Old 9th Apr 2021, 06:48
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I've never quite worked out whose bodies they are, and how come Gavin Williamson knows where they're buried.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 09:24
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Nutloose, you say:
So in your argument the U.K. has no power to decide if or what border should be between Eire or any other Country BUT you are in effect saying the EU HAS the power to decide what border should be between NI and any other Country including the rest of the U.K who no longer are part of the EU.
No, the EU does not have the power to decide unilaterally what border there should be between NI and the rest of the UK. But the UK is also bound by other international agreements which it has entered into which would seem to limit its scope to unilaterally dictate the nature of the Ireland/Northern Ireland border. If the UK wishes to abrogate those agreements, the the EU (and Ireland and the USA) are likely to make life very difficult for the UK, especially in any negotiations over trade-related matters. Why should anyone trust a country which tore up its international treaties?
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 10:21
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What I was trying to get across is the border was put up on the wrong side.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 11:06
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What I was trying to get across is the border was put up on the wrong side.
Whilst your suggestion would allow the free movement of goods between UK and Republic of Ireland it would also mean that the Republic of Ireland would no longer be in the EU single market. All the extra customs checks etc. that now apply to goods moving between the EU and the UK would equally apply to goods moving between the EU and the Republic of Ireland. Unless I'm missing something?

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Old 9th Apr 2021, 12:38
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Originally Posted by Avionker View Post
Whilst your suggestion would allow the free movement of goods between UK and Republic of Ireland it would also mean that the Republic of Ireland would no longer be in the EU single market. All the extra customs checks etc. that now apply to goods moving between the EU and the UK would equally apply to goods moving between the EU and the Republic of Ireland. Unless I'm missing something?
You would only be checking goods destined for NI and the UK, as there is a cost involved they are not going to be diverted and imported into Eire as they cost more than EU goods with no additional charges. EU to Eire destination goods would simply go straight through. The paperwork for UK / NI goods would be raised by the EU company exporting them and taxes paid by the reciprients as they do now for EU to UK through Dover etc. That way the UK and NI would not have a border between it, the border between EIRE and NI would be open as now and any UK NI exports leaving though Eire to the rest of the EU would be taxed on arrival.. In a sense a reverse of what we have now. Does that make sense?
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