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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 16:33
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
A degree on the CV does help to get that crucial first interview.
It made me laugh when last week the government was announcing more support for apprenticeships and vocational qualifications and said that University wasn't the only route to a successful career. It was this government that decided that for some gawd foresaken reason for police officers a degree is required. For a "Bobby on the beat" (stupid term!!!) the only degree required is a B.A. in Common Sense that can be acquired without a £9k annual tuition fee from the universities of "life" and "experience"., and certainly not from Oxbridge or any one of the new universities which are essentially polytechnics rebranded in many cases.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 23:24
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Absolutely spot on. I had the benefit of trying both routes, I first did a degree in chemistry, got a job in a lab as a chemist, and hated it. I did discover, whilst doing that job, that measuring things and the associated electronic instrumentation, seemed interesting. I was then lucky enough to get a different job working in what was then the Scientific Civil Service, which included them sponsoring me to do a sandwich course to get the necessary relevant qualifications. That was the best of both worlds, as I got to do real, paid, work and gain another degree at the same time.

One of the very brightest and best people I ever worked with was a chap that had been taken on at TRE during the war (what became RRE Malvern later), when they took anyone with aptitude, without regard for academic qualifications. He was absolutely brilliant, and despite having no qualifications at all had risen to principal scientist level and was the OiC of the first lab within MoD I worked at for a time. All of his technical knowledge and skill had come from working right at the very leading edge of radar research, and he was very much a hands-on applied scientist/engineer, who despite being the head of the lab used to spend as much time working on the bench as he could manage, right up until the time he retired. He taught me more in the year or so when we were both at that lab than anyone I've ever worked with since.
Alas, we need the techincal jobs to make this happen. The manufacturing jobs that allows the technical jobs and training exist. We need it for a balance of payments. Yes, the fact a country is actually getting richer than poorer. Basic economics. All of you elders on here remember when balance of payments was the buzz word. We need designers and manufacturing and building. Oh, don't built the shite housing I see being constructed everywhere now. Slums in 10 years.
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Old 24th Jan 2021, 08:59
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Good point re The Police. I've known some clever ones but the bulk of them just work on seat of the pants feelings. It's a method than can work quite well.at one level. I think that you probably need the graduates higher up the ranks.
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Old 24th Jan 2021, 09:27
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Why not apprentice doctors then?

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Old 24th Jan 2021, 09:31
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Originally Posted by Non Linear Gear View Post
Oh, don't built the shite housing I see being constructed everywhere now. Slums in 10 years.
The 2 volume-builder estates within a mile of me remain, after 30 years, very nice estates. Barrett, as I recall. They didn't get the slum memo maybe?

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Old 24th Jan 2021, 10:52
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
The 2 volume-builder estates within a mile of me remain, after 30 years, very nice estates. Barrett, as I recall. They didn't get the slum memo maybe?

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There's one down the road from me, one of those estates with 3 storey terraces and narrow winding cul de sacs designed to get the maximum number of dwelling into the minimum possible space, built around 20 years ago that you can already see is starting to go downhill in parts; the usual signs with discarded suites on the front, unkempt grassy patches (they call them gardens).
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Old 24th Jan 2021, 13:08
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
It made me laugh when last week the government was announcing more support for apprenticeships and vocational qualifications and said that University wasn't the only route to a successful career. It was this government that decided that for some gawd foresaken reason for police officers a degree is required. For a "Bobby on the beat" (stupid term!!!) the only degree required is a B.A. in Common Sense that can be acquired without a £9k annual tuition fee from the universities of "life" and "experience"., and certainly not from Oxbridge or any one of the new universities which are essentially polytechnics rebranded in many cases.
Nice rant but complete bolleaux...
You don't 'need a degree' to become a Police officer.
Police entry requirements
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Old 24th Jan 2021, 13:17
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
Nice rant but complete bolleaux...
You don't 'need a degree' to become a Police officer.
Police entry requirements
Good, glad I am misinformed!

I am some government minister said a while ago that a degree would be required, a sensible back track I think.
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Old 24th Jan 2021, 16:35
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Being married to an ex-Nurse (RGN, RCN),I'm aware that many in that profession regard the degree route into nursing as a career as utter nonsense; a risible replacement for the previous training and development pathway used by the NHS until the lunatics took over, encouraged by Mr T Bliar, of course. I've heard more anecdotes about the inability of a "graduate nurse" to do the most basic tasks without guidance and supervision than I care to think about.

For myself, my only experience of a hospital was about 25 years ago after an accident, leading to the need to remove a chest drain. This was done by a graduate nurse under supervision, but even so the pain was utterly excruciating. She had told me to hold my breath while the tube was being extracted, which I had been struggling to do for a very long time when she looked up and remarked admiringly "You've gone puce all over!" At which point the (classicly trained) supervisor took over.
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Old 24th Jan 2021, 19:27
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I had a 'graduate' nurse give me a fortunately supervised anaesthetic before a knee operation. She started getting flustered and kept injecting me until an older man stopped her and as I went to sleep was trying to sort things out.
That was at 10.00 am which was about my operation time. I woke up at 4.00 pm with several worried people surrounding me.

The operation was a success.
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Old 24th Jan 2021, 19:42
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My wife used to be a paediatric nurse, trained at Great Ormond Street, before the graduate changes, so her training right from the start was a mix of a few weeks in the classroom, followed by a ward placement for three months, then back in the classroom, etc, for the three years it took to get qualified. Not long before she decided to leave the NHS, one of the things that used to frustrate and annoy her were newly qualified graduate nurses, often on the same, or higher, pay scale position than her, that she was expected to supervise and teach practical nursing skills. She'd come home from work ranting about how unfair it was, that these new nurses were paid as much, or more than she was, with her (at that time) around ten years or so of post-qualification experience.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 06:26
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When it comes to numeracy, as we know, this isn't always a politicians forte....also worth mentioning she's nominally i/c the DWP so no concerns there for her Dept to carry on with their vindictive policies.....

Thérèse Coffey's Zoom walkout leaves even Piers Morgan lost for words | Conservatives | The Guardian
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 07:49
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
When it comes to numeracy, as we know, this isn't always a politicians forte....also worth mentioning she's nominally i/c the DWP so no concerns there for her Dept to carry on with their vindictive policies.....

Thérèse Coffey's Zoom walkout leaves even Piers Morgan lost for words | Conservatives | The Guardian
All very well to castigate her but given that the UK sits right at, or pretty close to the top of the European league tables for obesity, inactivity and alcohol consumption she is probably spot on. Her straightforward honesty should be commended.

It's hardly a coincidence that other nations with obesity issues, such as the USA also suffer high death rates from Covid-19.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 10:28
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The Fragrant Therese is my MP. Have you seen the woman? Hardly in a position to bang on about obesity. She is a Gammoness of the first order. I have a photograph somewhere that a friend sent me from a party she was at. Ms.Coffey is wearing a voluminous white t shirt with most of a glass of red wine that she has in her hand running down the front.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 12:18
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
The Fragrant Therese is my MP. Have you seen the woman? Hardly in a position to bang on about obesity. She is a Gammoness of the first order. I have a photograph somewhere that a friend sent me from a party she was at. Ms.Coffey is wearing a voluminous white t shirt with most of a glass of red wine that she has in her hand running down the front.
No, apart from in front of her PC camera! It's extraordinary though, my assigned GP at our doctors surgery is the size of a small tank, they must have had to widen the consulting room door for her to get through (well perhaps I exaggerate a tad!), but she isn't afraid to cheerfully lecture patients regarding their weight. A previous family doctor smoked like a chimney but convinced my dad to give up!!
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 12:32
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I'm not entirely unsympathetic. Dad was 60k all his life and at six feet tall just a couple of inches less than me. I have to be careful to stop my weight going above 100kg. But it seems to me that many people just don't give a f***. I had some prostate treatment about five years back and the lady who put me on the scales weighed more than me, and she was standard lady height. I think it's down to junk food. The queue at the local McD's drive through has been causing problems. On Friday nights and Saturday afternoons it's been stretching back onto the main road.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 13:26
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Some say that the definition of an alcoholic is someone who drinks more than their doctor.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 13:37
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
The 2 volume-builder estates within a mile of me remain, after 30 years, very nice estates. Barrett, as I recall. They didn't get the slum memo maybe?

CG
The new estate that is being built opposite the road by my village pub was supposed to be a mixed housing estate. Post planning approval, Developer goes, No, it is not. No mixed housing, all semi detatched social housing. Saves them having to pay Comumitiy Levy to the councils. The changes had all the OAPs living opposite up in arms with their elected Tory councillers, whom bowed to higher masters. Funny to watch the arguements on the village FB group.

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Old 26th Jan 2021, 15:17
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A politician misleading voters (allegedly), now who would believe that never happended before

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55805172

The Conservative candidate for London mayor has been reported to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) over claims he "repeatedly attempted to mislead" voters with campaign leaflets.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 16:18
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The London Assembly member was reported to the CPS by Labour.
What a surprise - not. A publicity stunt which, legally, will go nowhere - but allows them to throw mud, presumably on the basis that some sticks....

The question bring, was an offence under the Act committed?

The leaflet, sent in December, invited readers to sign a petition against any council tax rises.While a footnote included Mr Bailey's name and the address for the Conservative Party headquarters, the Tory Party logo and name were absent from the letter.
On the facts presented, the leaflet was within the law, however much it might annoy the Labour Party and current mayor. No false statements were made personally about any other candidate (Section 106) and all the required details concerning the candidate and the publisher (section 110) being present in the footnotes described in the article above. There being no legal requirement to mention either a party name or logo.

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