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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234
A degree on the CV does help to get that crucial first interview.
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Originally Posted by VP959
Absolutely spot on. I had the benefit of trying both routes, I first did a degree in chemistry, got a job in a lab as a chemist, and hated it. I did discover, whilst doing that job, that measuring things and the associated electronic instrumentation, seemed interesting. I was then lucky enough to get a different job working in what was then the Scientific Civil Service, which included them sponsoring me to do a sandwich course to get the necessary relevant qualifications. That was the best of both worlds, as I got to do real, paid, work and gain another degree at the same time.
One of the very brightest and best people I ever worked with was a chap that had been taken on at TRE during the war (what became RRE Malvern later), when they took anyone with aptitude, without regard for academic qualifications. He was absolutely brilliant, and despite having no qualifications at all had risen to principal scientist level and was the OiC of the first lab within MoD I worked at for a time. All of his technical knowledge and skill had come from working right at the very leading edge of radar research, and he was very much a hands-on applied scientist/engineer, who despite being the head of the lab used to spend as much time working on the bench as he could manage, right up until the time he retired. He taught me more in the year or so when we were both at that lab than anyone I've ever worked with since.
One of the very brightest and best people I ever worked with was a chap that had been taken on at TRE during the war (what became RRE Malvern later), when they took anyone with aptitude, without regard for academic qualifications. He was absolutely brilliant, and despite having no qualifications at all had risen to principal scientist level and was the OiC of the first lab within MoD I worked at for a time. All of his technical knowledge and skill had come from working right at the very leading edge of radar research, and he was very much a hands-on applied scientist/engineer, who despite being the head of the lab used to spend as much time working on the bench as he could manage, right up until the time he retired. He taught me more in the year or so when we were both at that lab than anyone I've ever worked with since.
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Good point re The Police. I've known some clever ones but the bulk of them just work on seat of the pants feelings. It's a method than can work quite well.at one level. I think that you probably need the graduates higher up the ranks.
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Originally Posted by Non Linear Gear
Oh, don't built the shite housing I see being constructed everywhere now. Slums in 10 years.
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Originally Posted by charliegolf
The 2 volume-builder estates within a mile of me remain, after 30 years, very nice estates. Barrett, as I recall. They didn't get the slum memo maybe?
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
It made me laugh when last week the government was announcing more support for apprenticeships and vocational qualifications and said that University wasn't the only route to a successful career. It was this government that decided that for some gawd foresaken reason for police officers a degree is required. For a "Bobby on the beat" (stupid term!!!) the only degree required is a B.A. in Common Sense that can be acquired without a £9k annual tuition fee from the universities of "life" and "experience"., and certainly not from Oxbridge or any one of the new universities which are essentially polytechnics rebranded in many cases.
You don't 'need a degree' to become a Police officer.
Police entry requirements
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Originally Posted by Nige321
Nice rant but complete bolleaux...
You don't 'need a degree' to become a Police officer.
Police entry requirements
You don't 'need a degree' to become a Police officer.
Police entry requirements
I am some government minister said a while ago that a degree would be required, a sensible back track I think.
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Being married to an ex-Nurse (RGN, RCN),I'm aware that many in that profession regard the degree route into nursing as a career as utter nonsense; a risible replacement for the previous training and development pathway used by the NHS until the lunatics took over, encouraged by Mr T Bliar, of course. I've heard more anecdotes about the inability of a "graduate nurse" to do the most basic tasks without guidance and supervision than I care to think about.
For myself, my only experience of a hospital was about 25 years ago after an accident, leading to the need to remove a chest drain. This was done by a graduate nurse under supervision, but even so the pain was utterly excruciating. She had told me to hold my breath while the tube was being extracted, which I had been struggling to do for a very long time when she looked up and remarked admiringly "You've gone puce all over!" At which point the (classicly trained) supervisor took over.
For myself, my only experience of a hospital was about 25 years ago after an accident, leading to the need to remove a chest drain. This was done by a graduate nurse under supervision, but even so the pain was utterly excruciating. She had told me to hold my breath while the tube was being extracted, which I had been struggling to do for a very long time when she looked up and remarked admiringly "You've gone puce all over!" At which point the (classicly trained) supervisor took over.
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I had a 'graduate' nurse give me a fortunately supervised anaesthetic before a knee operation. She started getting flustered and kept injecting me until an older man stopped her and as I went to sleep was trying to sort things out.
That was at 10.00 am which was about my operation time. I woke up at 4.00 pm with several worried people surrounding me.
The operation was a success.
That was at 10.00 am which was about my operation time. I woke up at 4.00 pm with several worried people surrounding me.
The operation was a success.
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My wife used to be a paediatric nurse, trained at Great Ormond Street, before the graduate changes, so her training right from the start was a mix of a few weeks in the classroom, followed by a ward placement for three months, then back in the classroom, etc, for the three years it took to get qualified. Not long before she decided to leave the NHS, one of the things that used to frustrate and annoy her were newly qualified graduate nurses, often on the same, or higher, pay scale position than her, that she was expected to supervise and teach practical nursing skills. She'd come home from work ranting about how unfair it was, that these new nurses were paid as much, or more than she was, with her (at that time) around ten years or so of post-qualification experience.
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When it comes to numeracy, as we know, this isn't always a politicians forte....also worth mentioning she's nominally i/c the DWP so no concerns there for her Dept to carry on with their vindictive policies.....
Thérèse Coffey's Zoom walkout leaves even Piers Morgan lost for words | Conservatives | The Guardian
Thérèse Coffey's Zoom walkout leaves even Piers Morgan lost for words | Conservatives | The Guardian
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
When it comes to numeracy, as we know, this isn't always a politicians forte....also worth mentioning she's nominally i/c the DWP so no concerns there for her Dept to carry on with their vindictive policies.....
Thérèse Coffey's Zoom walkout leaves even Piers Morgan lost for words | Conservatives | The Guardian
Thérèse Coffey's Zoom walkout leaves even Piers Morgan lost for words | Conservatives | The Guardian
It's hardly a coincidence that other nations with obesity issues, such as the USA also suffer high death rates from Covid-19.
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The Fragrant Therese is my MP. Have you seen the woman? Hardly in a position to bang on about obesity. She is a Gammoness of the first order. I have a photograph somewhere that a friend sent me from a party she was at. Ms.Coffey is wearing a voluminous white t shirt with most of a glass of red wine that she has in her hand running down the front.
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man
The Fragrant Therese is my MP. Have you seen the woman? Hardly in a position to bang on about obesity. She is a Gammoness of the first order. I have a photograph somewhere that a friend sent me from a party she was at. Ms.Coffey is wearing a voluminous white t shirt with most of a glass of red wine that she has in her hand running down the front.
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I'm not entirely unsympathetic. Dad was 60k all his life and at six feet tall just a couple of inches less than me. I have to be careful to stop my weight going above 100kg. But it seems to me that many people just don't give a f***. I had some prostate treatment about five years back and the lady who put me on the scales weighed more than me, and she was standard lady height. I think it's down to junk food. The queue at the local McD's drive through has been causing problems. On Friday nights and Saturday afternoons it's been stretching back onto the main road.
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Originally Posted by charliegolf
The 2 volume-builder estates within a mile of me remain, after 30 years, very nice estates. Barrett, as I recall. They didn't get the slum memo maybe?
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A politician misleading voters (allegedly), now who would believe that 
never happended before 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55805172
never happended before https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55805172
The Conservative candidate for London mayor has been reported to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) over claims he "repeatedly attempted to mislead" voters with campaign leaflets.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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The London Assembly member was reported to the CPS by Labour.
The question bring, was an offence under the Act committed?
The leaflet, sent in December, invited readers to sign a petition against any council tax rises.While a footnote included Mr Bailey's name and the address for the Conservative Party headquarters, the Tory Party logo and name were absent from the letter.
https://publications.parliament.uk/p...n/01041x--.htm
