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Old 15th Oct 2020, 10:28
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Point of information. I worked in the oil industry back in the 70's. Current estimates of Scottish oil reserves are 20 billion barrels. Most recently discovered in the Rattray Volcanic Province.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 10:40
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I can't be bothered to find the quotes, but senior Spanish politicians have said they wouldn't stand in the way of Scotland joining. They also would be happy to raise the proverbial two fingers to England.
Hi

Link below is from an almost (to us) local source... plenty of others available:

https://www.catalannews.com/politics...ndent-scotland
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 11:36
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
There is little oil left, and the clean-up costs outstrip the remaining income. The gas will be phased out replaced by electricity and/or hydrogen as part of the move to a low/non-carbon economy. Electricity is cheapest the shorter the distance, which for most of the UK is the existing interconnects to France, Holland etc.

I think that the Scots overestimate the eagerness of the English, and Westminster, to offer any more freebies and subsidies in order to hold onto an increasingly tenuous link - devolution cuts both ways.
Surely in the interest of the Union Scotland should be cast adrift then?

After all it is only the 4th best performing part of the UK in terms of GDP per capita, only has 34% of the UK natural resources, including 90% of the UK's fresh water, 62% of the maritime area, 70% of the UK's fish landings and 60% of UK timber production amongst others.

In the increasingly climate concious world perhaps Scotland which has just 10% of Europe's wave power potential, 25% of Europe's offshore wind resources and 25% of Europe's tidal energy resources is likely to be a burden to the UK.

When it comes to carbon neutrality Scotland only provides 40% of the UK's carbon sequestration ability.

Just a millstone really isn't it?
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 11:45
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That second home for 'huntin, shootin and and fishin' has to be somewhere and the locals understand commands in English.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 11:46
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I can't be bothered to find the quotes, but senior Spanish politicians have said they wouldn't stand in the way of Scotland joining. They also would be happy to raise the proverbial two fingers to England.
What would happen on the currency front? Sweden wriggles out of the need to use the Euro by declining to join the Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM), but if Scotland kept the pound sterling, the convergence criterion verges on nonsense.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 12:12
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
I think that the Scots overestimate the eagerness of the English, and Westminster, to offer any more freebies and subsidies in order to hold onto an increasingly tenuous link - devolution cuts both ways.
...perhaps that should read - "some Scots" not "the Scots"

There is however a growing number no longer content to wait for handouts of borrowed money from Westminster when they could be borrowing it themselves.
Taking back control also cuts both ways.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 12:19
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Surely in the interest of the Union Scotland should be cast adrift then?
Not cast adrift - but rather wishing them a cordial farewell at the door as they leave and being generous in terms of both a settlement and trade terms, instead of pleading with them to stay or being indignant
if they decide to go.

Being Irish, as I have said previously, Ive never understood how they agreed to give up their independence in the first place.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 12:21
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Not cast adrift - but rather wishing them a cordial farewell at the door as they leave and being generous in terms of both a settlement and trade terms, instead of pleading with them to stay or being indigent if they decide to go.
Why Boris's refusal for a Section 30 order then?
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 12:31
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Originally Posted by Avionker View Post
Why Boris's refusal for a Section 30 order then?
Being the PM Boris has to defend the union - it just depends how hard he'd resist and popular support - on either side of the border.

The leader of the Scottish Conservatives made a rousing speech in favour of the Union at the recent party conference - which sank without trace in the media, and without and sign of support from any member of the cabinet.....
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 12:38
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The leader of the Scottish Conservatives made a rousing speech in favour of the Union at the recent party conference - which sank without trace in the media, and without and sign of support from any member of the cabinet.....
That‘s because bluffing with a played and displayed hand will convince no-one but the party faithful, of which you are one. No.10 and the media know that broadcasting Looney Tunes as news won’t go down well. Having said that...
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 12:44
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Being Irish, as I have said previously, Ive never understood how they agreed to give up their independence in the first place.
Money. The history is instructive:

Suspicion and mistrust between the two countries had prevented the union throughout the 17th century. The Scots feared that they would simply become another region of England, being swallowed up as had happened to Wales some four hundred years earlier. For England the fear that the Scots may take sides with France and rekindle the ‘Auld Alliance‘ was decisive. England relied heavily on Scottish soldiers and to have them turn and join ranks with the French would have been disastrous.

In the late 1690s however, thousands of ordinary Scottish folk had been tempted to invest their hard earned money in a plan to link the two great oceans of the world by establishing an overland trading route between the Pacific and Atlantic. Almost every Scot who had £5 in his or her pocket, invested in the Darien Scheme, to establish a Scottish colony in Panama.

Poorly planned, the venture ended early in 1700 with significant loss of life and financial ruin for the Kingdom of Scotland. With many influential individuals and whole families left bankrupt by the disaster, a few financial incentives appear to have convinced some dithering Scottish MPs of the potential benefits of a union with England. In the words of Robert Burns, they (the Scottish MPs) were “bought and sold for English gold”.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 12:55
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Oh I know the background - I just cant understand how the Scots people didn't just string up the aristos who arranged and voted for the deal....
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...the internet and social media was pretty poor back then.
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“bought and sold for English gold”.
This is the list of Scottish MP benefactors. I would love to see similar lists on major issues in Westminster.


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Don't you just love the 15s and 7d and the 2 shilling entries. One is puzzled that the reckoning is in pounds, not guineas - perhaps because the Provost doesn't count as 'gentry'! Such fine accounting for a fine bunch of people. Of course, that sort of thing doesn't happen any more, in spite of scurrilous stories of dinner table companions and building schemes and tax breaks and donations, and, and ...
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 14:36
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The leader of the Scottish Conservatives made a rousing speech in favour of the Union at the recent party conference - which sank without trace in the media, and without and sign of support from any member of the cabinet.....
That’ll be the leader of the Scottish Conservatives who;

resigned from the cabinet over the Cummings affair. Hmmm… no support from the cabinet; I wonder why?

was elected unapposed and promptly sacked everybody else before asking Ruth Davidson (ex leader) to represent him at Holyrood. Hmmm…no coverage from the media; I wonder why?

hopes to stand for election to Holyrood before the ex leader tootles off to continue her democratic fight in the Lords, unelected and unaccountable!!

Interesting to note that Fish Wifey is the only leader in Holyrood that was elected on her own merit as a Constituency MSP, all the others gained their seat as a List MSP proposed by their party. No doubt the new leader of the Scottish Conservatives will do the same lest he does a Jo Swinson (remember her).

Honestly, they really are not doing themselves any favours.


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Old 15th Oct 2020, 14:49
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Originally Posted by OilCan View Post
That’ll be the leader of the Scottish Conservatives who;

resigned from the cabinet over the Cummings affair. Hmmm… no support from the cabinet; I wonder why?

was elected unapposed and promptly sacked everybody else before asking Ruth Davidson (ex leader) to represent him at Holyrood. Hmmm…no coverage from the media; I wonder why?

hopes to stand for election to Holyrood before the ex leader tootles off to continue her democratic fight in the Lords, unelected and unaccountable!!

Interesting to note that Fish Wifey is the only leader in Holyrood that was elected on her own merit as a Constituency MSP, all the others gained their seat as a List MSP proposed by their party. No doubt the new leader of the Scottish Conservatives will do the same lest he does a Jo Swinson (remember her).

Honestly, they really are not doing themselves any favours.
Actually, Ruth Davidson is a credit to politics and to herself......I've said this before in case some may wonder have I had a Damascene moment...... which is highly unlikely I may add.... yes, it was covered in MSM.

Just a shame she chose the wrong party.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 15:09
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Agreed, Ruth Davidson scored well in my book aswell, but this Lords thing has tarnished that image somewhat.

Its a shame, Holyrood, indeed Scotland, will be the poorer without her.

..and the Tories have effectively lost the best tool they had.

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Old 15th Oct 2020, 17:41
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Agreed, Ruth Davidson scored well in my book aswell, but this Lords thing has tarnished that image somewhat.

Its a shame, Holyrood, indeed Scotland, will be the poorer without her.

..and the Tories have effectively lost the best tool they had.
Douglas Ross has a reputation as a bit of a tool...

Pretty obvious why he was elected unopposed. Who, in their right mind would want to be leader of the Scottish Tories at the moment?
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Old 17th Oct 2020, 08:28
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From the Guardian.....

Cabinet Office to hire photographer in effort to level up government’s image

Advert for £60,000-a-year job says role is to ‘promote the work of ministers and the wider government visually’

As we know, the camera never lies..............thank heavens for CGI therefore with regard to the above !

More good news for Boris !.....(same source as above )

Jennifer Arcuri 'admits to Boris Johnson affair'

Businesswoman appears to confirm relationship in interview with Daily Mail

And what better rag to confess all in.....all we need now is the other 50 % of this enraptured couple to waffle his version of events !



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