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Old 7th Oct 2020, 11:47
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The big downside of a possible English Parliament is that we would end up with more politicians.
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 11:48
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Originally Posted by Grayfly View Post
I completely agree and this is an outcome I would like to see. It just makes sense. How it would come about is the political difficulty as sense doesn't compute well at Westminster.
It's how Germany works, and for that matter how the USA works. Both have wealth pretty well spread across all the states; though it has to be said it's taken a while to integrate the former DDR states and bring them up to the wealth levels of the "legacy" BRD states - in fact it's still a work in progress. Even though Berlin was reinstated as the capital it hasn't (yet) become dominant in the way that London and Paris are over their respective nations.
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 11:54
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The big downside of a possible English Parliament is that we would end up with more politicians.
How come the likes of Germany and the US (well thinking about it, let's just go with Germany!) mange it? Australia is similar too, and appear, from afar, to work well enough. Perhaps it's to do with making the job big enough, and influential enough to ensure the voters don't elect 2nd rate local councillors to the jobs.

I know local councils do a deal more than bin collection, local libraries and maintaining the kids playgrounds; a lot more actually, but they are perceived as doing little and therefore aren't really respected by local voters, who rather than voting on local issues put a cross against the party they prefer nationally, when the two are, and should be totally different. I'm much more likely to vote Labour locally than I would be nationally for example, but then I'm in a minority who looks at what the council is doing (or not doing) for me and my area, rather than blame it all on Johnson or Starmer.
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 13:54
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I think in the German case you do not have the power based in one city / corner of the country, which is surrounded by sea on the South / Eastern side, so it does not have a surrounding hinterland on that side as well. In Germany as we both know the real powerhouses are Frankfurt and Munich / Hamburg with Berlin playing an admin role. These cities including Hamburg spread their prosperity more evenly as a result. Also the REALLY big factor is that both Germany (and indeed France) are big countries geographically in comparison with the UK, and the population of Germany is considerably larger than the UK too. All of this helps the region's as they are encouraged to operate as separate enter ties within a larger Federal system. Arguably you could say the UK is trying something similar with the likes of the Northern Powerhouse, but to be honest living in the north that appears to be yet another sound bite, as I have seen nothing from this institution apart from studies / reports (but it is quite a well paid institution I am told).
I really do not see any appetite from London / Westminster to grant much to the region's , indeed I have heard the argument made that the SE makes all the money and the rest just spend it.
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 17:47
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I don't think that banging the drum incessantly in this forum will make an iota of difference. Time to find another club to put in the bag!
Of course it doesn't !! This is an opinion forum. Nothing which anyone published here will affect anything, anywhere. However, when misinformation is posted, whether from ignorance or malevolence, it should be challenged. You may wish to ignore untruths posing as valid statements, I don't. If the Mods feel that is an unreasonable or unacceptable position to take, they have the ability to rectify matters. Perhaps you should volunteer your services?
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 18:17
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CJ you're wrong. Additional to opinion there is a lot of useful fact available to read on this site. That info can and does affect some decisions in some places. Long may it continue.
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 18:23
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Originally Posted by rifruffian View Post
CJ you're wrong. Additional to opinion there is a lot of useful fact available to read on this site. That info can and does affect some decisions in some places. Long may it continue.
Get over yourself. This is a forum, it doesn’t “affect some decisions in some places” nobody of any importance would base decisions on what they have read on an Internet forum.
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 18:25
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Originally Posted by highflyer40 View Post
This is a forum, it doesn’t “affect some decisions in some places” nobody of any importance would base decisions on what they have read on an Internet forum.
Except, perhaps, the president of perhaps the most powerful state in the free world . . .
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 18:26
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Who is a person of importance ?
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 18:49
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Originally Posted by rifruffian View Post
Who is a person of importance ?
HAHA and you think Donald Trump is formulating his opinions based on what you are writing on this forum? Get a grip, and a sense of your importance in this world.
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 19:00
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HAHA and you think Donald Trump is formulating his opinions based on what you are writing on this forum? Get a grip, and a sense of your importance in this world.

Not at all what I wrote or implied. I didn't so much as hint that Donald Trump has ever read anything I might have posted at all, you've made that up out of thin air!

What seems clear is that social media (and this forum forms a part of that media category) plays a significant part in the way Donald Trump views and communicates with the rest of the world. He seems to place greater weight on "stuff he's read somewhere on the internet" than he does on his advisors, at times.
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 22:36
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Originally Posted by Grayfly View Post
Much as I enjoy everyone's contribution to this forum and it is about UK Politics, I am curious to discover what we have said in this forum that has already made a difference?

I am resigned to the view that nothing we say here will make any difference. Perhaps I am wrong, often am. I am happy for drums to be beaten regularly.
Quite. And I doubt if many of us on here live in a constituency where it makes one iota of a diference to the outcome, whichever way we cast out vote. I don't. Until we have PR in this country most of us will have little say in who actually governs us. Not that I necessarily think that PR is a good way to run an election as it tends to lead to hung parliaments, but perhaps that might not be a bad thing as it may lead to consensus politics amongst the parties.

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Old 8th Oct 2020, 10:38
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CJ you're wrong. Additional to opinion there is a lot of useful fact available to read on this site. That info can and does affect some decisions in some places. Long may it continue.
Well now - apart from being able to offer you a stunning selection of Brooklyn bridges, at truly bargain prices, I am agog to hear just how you differentiate (on an anonymous forum) between the 'Walts' and those who have actully earned the t-shirts, or between those who profess expertise and experience from those who actually have it. To revert to sexism, one supposes that our lady contributors will use 'intuition' - what's your method?
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 19:08
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Ref bridges......pls inform us specs and prices....
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 06:07
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The ( unintentional ) lighter side !.....It seems the Gov't wish to help those who may be looking to retrain for the future.

Very commendable, but, alas, this does involve that well known combination of Gov't and IT ( past examples of the success of this combination welcome ) Clearly, from past experience they were quick to point out this was the beta version....which will come as a relief to airframe drivers for example, although this was one helpful suggestion as a career it seems, contemplating the prospect of becoming a lock keeper.

Guardian journalists also took this test....although some on here may well have their own suggestions for alternative careers for them......and not forgetting Boris et al..

On the basis of this helpful test, great news for former patisserie chefs then ! ......construction is, ostensibly, a future growth sector so tarmac laying or concrete pouring would be just the job for them !

All the above from a report in today's Guardian "Society " section....
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 07:58
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Taken from the BBC website.......those mathematically inclined may wish to calculate how much per hr she is being paid for this clearly taxing and complex role.....


" A former transport minister who left the government earlier this year has taken up a £60,000-a-year second job advising a maritime technology firm.

Conservative MP Nus Ghani is doing around seven hours' work a month for Artemis Technologies as it helps to develop new ferries for Belfast.

She has been told not to lobby ministers for two years by the watchdog on MPs' second jobs.

But she was given the go-ahead to do other work for the firm."
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 09:06
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I think that a big concern is what appears to have become a Tory party strategy of awarding contracts to friends of the party who then channel part of the profits back via political donations. One such contract seems to have been awarded to the Glaswegian underwear manufacturer Michelle Mone, now a Tory peer. Ms Mone's company went into liquidation in 2018 but appears to have "won" a government contract.

The corollary to this kind of financial jiggery pokery could well be a further erosion of trust in the system, something that is particularly worrying at present when areas in the north of England appear to be close to revolt against central government. Those in so called " Red Wall" seats are probably particularly volatile, having voted as they did essentially out of a sense of dissatisfaction rather than any great enthusiasm for any political project. Interesting times ahead?
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 10:20
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Cummings being moved sideways?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...over-jwskcgkkn

Anxious Boris Johnson seeks a makeover

Boris Johnson is shopping for a high-profile chief of staff to bolster his Downing Street operation, in a move that has been interpreted as clipping the wings of Dominic Cummings, his combative senior aide.

The prime minister recently phoned Lord Feldman of Elstree, the former Conservative Party chairman and a friend of David Cameron, to ask him to take on the role.... It is understood that Feldman turned Johnson down because he is happy with life after politics and did not want the hassle of a return to the front line.

When he joined No 10 in July last year, Cummings told Johnson he did not wish to be called chief of staff but he would not serve under anyone with that title. Even as “assistant to the prime minister” he insisted all political aides report directly to him.

Senior figures in government say Cummings is going nowhere. “He is literally chief of all the staff,” one said. But they also acknowledge he is “doing about five jobs” and is overstretched, juggling responsibilities as Johnson’s chief strategist while pushing civil service reform and “firefighting daily events”. An ally said: “It’s like one of those cartoons where someone throws the baseball, runs to hit it, then runs to catch it.”....

Insiders acknowledge that Johnson often voices his desire for a “chief of staff”. But some believe what he means is someone who can manage him personally, run his office and handle party management, rather than an all-powerful figure in the mould of Tony Blair’s chief of staff, Jonathan Powell. “It’s a combination of principal private secretary, political secretary and office manager,” an official said.

In a plan being recommended to Johnson, a senior Tory “greybeard” could come in to help run Downing Street while Cummings focuses on his policy interests. “Dom needs to be chief of stuff, not chief of staff,” a senior Tory said. One idea being pushed by some is to install Oliver Dowden, the culture secretary who was Cameron’s deputy chief of staff, in the role, but other names are also circulating........


Johnson also overhauled his civil service team last week. He had already replaced Sir Mark Sedwill with Simon Case as cabinet secretary. Last week he brought in James Bowler, who has served four prime ministers in the Treasury, to be permanent secretary in No 10 in charge of the Covid response, the job Case had been doing until his promotion.

Johnson appointed three deputy chiefs of staff last month to help Cummings. They include Henry Cook, a former aide to Michael Gove and Cleo Watson, a Cummings ally, who is trying to impose order on Johnson’s office.

Insiders stress that personnel changes alone will not transform their fortunes in a global pandemic. “To be fair, the whole place is on fire,” one senior figure said.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 10:26
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The only thing to do with Cummings is move him downwards, preferably 6ft under. The man will remain a liability for as long as he's even very slightly connected with the government, IMHO.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 10:29
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could well be a further erosion of trust in the system
E M - point well made, save for the term 'trust'.
I would suggest that, for anyone open to reasoned argument, trust has, long since gone, replaced in the 'followers' by blind faith. This is essential, since there is no substance for them to cling to. Shallow, repetitive bluster, couched in terms to appease the weirdos of the ERG and his puppet-master Cummings, interspersed with confusing and contradictory edicts made to satisfy the latest out-of-date statistics. There are members of this web-site who have admitted to having voted for this clown and his cronies - they will, no doubt, still feel justified ... any of them care to point out the brilliance of the strategy, so far?
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