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Old 5th Oct 2020, 10:46
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Originally Posted by Avionker View Post
I was also curious about that KnC. Turns out that the 3 quotes are from consecutive posts, #1478 to 1480, should anyone else be curious as to the originators.
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That was interesting digging by yourself. Nutlose, VP959, Bob Viking, step forward please, you are in along line of deceived people by our PM, so I would not be too concerned, as he has fooled a section of the electorate, and the Tory party as well unfortunately, but maybe for not much longer.

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Old 5th Oct 2020, 10:50
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That was interesting digging by yourself. Nutlose, VP959, Bob Viking, step forward please, you are in along line of deceived people by our PM, so I would not be too concerned, as he has fooled a section of the electorate, and the Tory party as well unfortunately, but maybe for not much longer.

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I freely admit to have been taken in by his manner during that address to the public. However, as we have now seen, leopards do not change their spots.
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 10:59
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Well said, and I applaud your unambiguous response, and as you say, Leopards do not change their spots. Unfortunately of all the Big Cats I have always found Leopard's to be the most interesting and indeed cunning and thoughtful, some what unlike PM Johnson IMHO .

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Old 5th Oct 2020, 11:42
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I believe it is human nature amongst those of us not of a cynical or nasty disposition, to give our fellow man the benefit of the doubt. There were times, early on, when it looked like Boris might just actually step up to the plate and deliver a good performance for the country. Sadly, I think most people have now been disabused of that thought.
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 12:01
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
I freely admit to have been taken in by his manner during that address to the public. However, as we have now seen, leopards do not change their spots.
I will admit I was slightly surprised when I saw that one of those quotes were from you VP.

The other two were no real surprise, and I suspect that their opinion will remain unchanged
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 12:34
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I will admit I was slightly surprised when I saw that one of those quotes were from you VP.

The other two were no real surprise, and I suspect that their opinion will remain unchanged
Boris Johnson definitely surprised me that evening, TBH. I started watching, expecting to to see the usual bluff, bluster and incoherent rambling, but he came across as having unexpected qualities. I can only assume that he'd been coached beforehand, and for once had actually taken heed of whoever was doing the coaching.

Things seemed to start to go downhill when he was ill, and we had Matt Hancock blundering around from one fiasco to another. Since he's recovered, Boris Johnson just hasn't seemed to be able to grasp the fact that, at times like this, what's needed is strong and decisive leadership. He seems to go off the radar for days on end, seems unable to understand the basics of policies his government has helped put in place, and he's made more policy U turns than any other PM that I can remember.
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 12:43
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I maybe of a cynical disposition as far as politicians are concerned, but I am far from nasty !
It is just that when someone is wildly waving a "flag" I tend to ask why they are waving it, rather than first charging after it, hence you correctly identifying my cynical streak re politicians. According to the Ashridge Management course I completed a few years back this was again identified, though my interpersonal and inter company relations were judged to be very empathetic to colleagues and indeed my clients, The term Nasty has just had my wife in fits of laughter, as she said it shows how Forums / chat rooms can sometimes be so misleading as to the character of the people either doing the posting, or indeed reading and commenting on said posts.

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Old 5th Oct 2020, 13:12
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Work from home if possible, pubs must close at 10pm, do not have house parties but it’s ok to go to the cinema...

More mixed messaging from the Master of Confusion...

Boris Johnson urges people to ‘go to the cinema’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54387856

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Old 5th Oct 2020, 13:21
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
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I maybe of a cynical disposition as far as politicians are concerned, but I am far from nasty !
It is just that when someone is wildly waving a "flag" I tend to ask why they are waving it, rather than first charging after it, hence you correctly identifying my cynical streak re politicians. According to the Ashridge Management course I completed a few years back this was again identified, though my interpersonal and inter company relations were judged to be very empathetic to colleagues and indeed my clients, The term Nasty has just had my wife in fits of laughter, as she said it shows how Forums / chat rooms can sometimes be so misleading as to the character of the people either doing the posting, or indeed reading and commenting on said posts.

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I still have the guff from an Ashridge management course. It wasn't particularly memorable, but was pretty much mandatory for a time within the Civil Service. The one really useful management course I attended was one set up by my employer at the time, the Defence Research Agency. I can't remember the company that ran it, but do remember much of what was taught, particularly the sessions run by a psychologist.
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 14:13
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Mr Mac!

I certainly did not have you in mind when I posted #4527 or anyone else on here.

Frankly, I am as cynical as the next person when it comes to politicians of all hues and nationalities; but there are those in society that are unable to consider anything without being cynical or are just naturally nasty in their outlook and attitudes. And whilst I am probably guilty of being very harsh on the current crop of UK politicians, both before and during this crisis, fundamentally I am not a nasty person either!

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Old 5th Oct 2020, 14:44
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Two things Boris did wrong with the whole Covid scenario is:

1) Choose to copy every other country in their ways of dealing with it, even when it was blindingly obvious that those methods weren’t working overseas, so why should they work here? Forget culture etc. People are people and tend to predictably react the same way. He just hasn’t got the sphericals to break away from the sheep mentality and is trying too hard to be a people pleaser. All that do doo about flattening the curve to save the NHS. 7 months down the track and nothing has changed. People are still bleating about the NHS becoming overwhelmed.

2) Listened to the wrong experts. If he’d stuck with his original belief (that’s on record) that we just need to get on with, wed have been through the worst of this months ago. He allowed himself to be persuaded by others with their own agenda.
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 15:14
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I still have the guff from an Ashridge management course. It wasn't particularly memorable, but was pretty much mandatory for a time within the Civil Service. The one really useful management course I attended was one set up by my employer at the time, the Defence Research Agency. I can't remember the company that ran it, but do remember much of what was taught, particularly the sessions run by a psychologist.
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I was at Ashridge for about 7 weeks in total on separate courses about 10 years ago, some better than others as you say. Most of the people with me were from BT / Bae / Kingstone Telecom / Civil Service as I recall. Some courses were relevant other not so, and it was interesting to compare with Sandhurst training which is of course a different type of man management. There are always various management schools, and some I do feel over egg themselves some what, though I always find from every course I have attended that there are things you pick up as you say, ref your psychologist sessions. I encourage my own staff to take any courses that we feel are relevant and would benefit them, because I am a strong believer in training staff well, and for promoting from within if people are good enough. Indeed as a business we have a very good reputation in our industry for the quality and aptitude and man management skills of our people, which has greatly contributed to our growth and success, even in difficult times and makes my life easier to boot.
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 15:55
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Mightily relieved WB627, I thought I had let my side down in your eyes I do think that you are correct there are nasty and unusually cynical people around, maybe more so, and I do believe social media platforms have given this group a bigger stage on which to parade from behind their keyboards. It is interesting that many people who have these attitudes are unwilling to say these things face to face with their protagonists if they have the opportunity. although Mr Trump appears to not to adhere to this general rule but has antagonised good portion of the world it would seem.
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 16:56
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There are always good things to pick up from management courses. Ranging, on the one hand, from new skills and good ideas about things you may never have thought about before, through, on the other hand, to an improved ability to detect managerial bullshit. Both are useful.
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 20:13
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I pretty much took my opinion of Johnson from Max Hastings. He saíd of him " He supposes himself to be like Winston Churchill, whereas a more accurate comparison would be Alan Partridge". I rate Hastings very highly. He is a high Tory with whom I find little to disagree with.

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Old 5th Oct 2020, 22:31
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Max had Boris quickly summed up when he was his boss at the Telegraph, and even said so at the time, and gave the background in a Guardian article about a year ago. As you say an old school Tory, and a good man with a dry sense of humour.
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 22:41
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Originally Posted by WB627 View Post
First, welcome back KnC.

I already mentioned that useless self serving waste of space Gove, who would do anything IMHO, to get his foot in the door of No 10. However, I think Hunt has more sense and would not touch it with a bargepole, waiting instead for someone else to clear up the inevitable pile of sh1t from this pandemic. He's still young enough to sit out the next parliament, whist Starmer ruins his reputation trying.

DC, I'm pretty certain will be gone with Boris, unless he has a pile of dirt on his successor.
Hunt would never win a general election. He wouldn’t get one NHS vote. Remember “Hunt the ****”. They absolutely hate him, and they and their extended families are a large minority of the population.
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 23:48
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Hunt would never win a general election. He wouldn’t get one NHS vote. Remember “Hunt the ****”. They absolutely hate him, and they and their extended families are a large minority of the population.
And you think Gove could win an election?
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Old 6th Oct 2020, 00:19
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And you think Gove could win an election?
Hopefully not, but he would beat Hunt.
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Old 6th Oct 2020, 17:52
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Monday, a new week, and The Times (at least) is full of articles and so on berating Johnson for his incompetence, stupidity and dishonesty, ridiculing his wild assertions about what's round the corner. At the same time they are reporting all sorts of "senior Party members", "ex-Ministers" and others speculating on how he'll be gone very soon. There's some wholly justified vitriolic stuff about Cummings' role in BoJo's downfall, to say nothing of his role in the UK's downfall, as we leave the EU with no deal and a resurgent pandemic.

I agree with them. It is obvious that the knives are out, quite rightly, and his defenestration is now a process which has gained enough momentum to be unstoppable. And it will speed up as Tory Ministers and back-benchers go sniffing up the bottoms of his potential successors.

The only thing we can be sure about is that his replacement will be no better. As I've said before, we're doomed.

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