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Here is the Guardians view on why Labour lost:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-the-election
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-the-election
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Sorry ATNotts, my prediction was a bit off: Oh well, what a pity, never mind, as an unlucky better I will remember next time to bet on the option I do not want as I seem to be more likely to get the result that I wanted. 
All we need now is for Cornish Jack to use his maths to demonstrate that Labour /Lib Dems/remain actually won, it would also appear at first glance that not enough old leavers had shuffled off their mortal coils, or that the new young voters would carry Labour and remain to victory as predicted.
Wonder if the EU will now start taking the UK seriously and get Brexit sorted amicably, quickly, and to the benefit of both sides.
All we need now is for Cornish Jack to use his maths to demonstrate that Labour /Lib Dems/remain actually won, it would also appear at first glance that not enough old leavers had shuffled off their mortal coils, or that the new young voters would carry Labour and remain to victory as predicted.
Wonder if the EU will now start taking the UK seriously and get Brexit sorted amicably, quickly, and to the benefit of both sides.
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph
North or South of the border this election is about one issue. Brexit. It cannot therefore come as a surprise that Scottish voters have voted in favour of the only party with a strong anti Brexit message as they did in the 2016 referendum. Lib Dem’s simply don’t figure to any degree.
Naturally there will be calls for another independence vote on the back of a strong SNP showing, But the two should not be conflated and the SNP will be aware of the latest polling which shows support for an independence referendum is falling. See this poll which is only a week old:
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...rvey-1-5058619
Sturgeon knows this, but I suspect she has sharp instruments held between her shoulder blades from the ‘hot headed’ wing of the SNP and she dare not step back.
Naturally there will be calls for another independence vote on the back of a strong SNP showing, But the two should not be conflated and the SNP will be aware of the latest polling which shows support for an independence referendum is falling. See this poll which is only a week old:
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...rvey-1-5058619
Sturgeon knows this, but I suspect she has sharp instruments held between her shoulder blades from the ‘hot headed’ wing of the SNP and she dare not step back.
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There should be a few people on here who need to have a long hard look at themselves. They have spent months, years insulting anyone and everyone who had a different opinion to themselves. They thought they knew better.
This election just proves what happens when you ignore the former working areas that used to vote Labour. Labour did well in 2017 because it promised to honour the referendum.
The Lib Dems. The delusional leader who said she would be the next PM? Resigned. Why? Because she thought she knew better.
I didn't vote for BJ. I don't agree with people who lie.
But I do expect that when people have spoken their voice should be respected.
This election just proves what happens when you ignore the former working areas that used to vote Labour. Labour did well in 2017 because it promised to honour the referendum.
The Lib Dems. The delusional leader who said she would be the next PM? Resigned. Why? Because she thought she knew better.
I didn't vote for BJ. I don't agree with people who lie.
But I do expect that when people have spoken their voice should be respected.
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ORAC, the thing that is wrong with those assumptions is that remain always state that Labour is a remain party when it clearly is not, even for this election Corbyn was saying that labour would negotiate a different deal with the EU to exit, but gave into agreeing to a referendum on whether to accept his deal or remain.
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Originally Posted by Exrigger
ORAC, the thing that is wrong with those assumptions is that remain always state that Labour is a remain party when it clearly is not, even for this election Corbyn was saying that labour would negotiate a different deal with the EU to exit, but gave into agreeing to a referendum on whether to accept his deal or remain.
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And welcome to the UK. now on course to become a full fledged right wing junta in it's own right.
I appreciate that, not only on here, but across the UK the result has exceeded your wildest dreams.....for the autocratic, the smug, the arrogant, the bullies, those with nothing but their own selfish interests at heart, last night will be celebrated and enshrined in their minds.....until, that is, the promises start to unravel and the effects of the policies start to impact on their lives.
This shouldn't take too long really. Once we've left the EU, more jingoistic euphoria can be expected on the day, there still remains those "promises" Boris made and which will now mysteriously be watered down, ignored or simply and conveniently forgotten. And, five years is more than adequate to get involved in a conflict somewhere on the globe, depends entirely on when, and where, Trump decides.
For those who feel they are immune from the effects of both leaving the EU, and Tory policy, enjoy the delusion while you can. It will be too late to start protesting "but I voted Tory in 2019, " in the not too distant future.
The rest of the world will also now be aware the UK has embarked on a self harming process and with a PM who lacks any international credibility......being wholly reliant on Trump for support.
Enjoy you fleeting moment of pleasure...chaps.
I appreciate that, not only on here, but across the UK the result has exceeded your wildest dreams.....for the autocratic, the smug, the arrogant, the bullies, those with nothing but their own selfish interests at heart, last night will be celebrated and enshrined in their minds.....until, that is, the promises start to unravel and the effects of the policies start to impact on their lives.
This shouldn't take too long really. Once we've left the EU, more jingoistic euphoria can be expected on the day, there still remains those "promises" Boris made and which will now mysteriously be watered down, ignored or simply and conveniently forgotten. And, five years is more than adequate to get involved in a conflict somewhere on the globe, depends entirely on when, and where, Trump decides.
For those who feel they are immune from the effects of both leaving the EU, and Tory policy, enjoy the delusion while you can. It will be too late to start protesting "but I voted Tory in 2019, " in the not too distant future.
The rest of the world will also now be aware the UK has embarked on a self harming process and with a PM who lacks any international credibility......being wholly reliant on Trump for support.
Enjoy you fleeting moment of pleasure...chaps.
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Originally Posted by OilCan
.. bet it doesn't stay that way when this is all done..
Cancelling university fees and refunding fees previously paid, resetting women's pension payments etc was such a naked bribe designed to grab the attention of the gullible that people were not that stupid. Then as some like to point out, many of us die hard oldies will have dropped off the twig to be replaced by the new younger pensioners.
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Originally Posted by Groundbased
Yes, but it doesn't really matter whether it is or it isn't, what is important is what people thought they were, and they thought Labour had become a Remain party.
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Corbyn Free By Christmas :)
Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
And welcome to the UK. now on course to become a full fledged right wing junta in it's own right.
Enjoy you fleeting moment of pleasure...chaps.
Enjoy you fleeting moment of pleasure...chaps.
New PM. Very well delivered inclusive speech from Gove. Get Brexit Done!
It won't be a hard Brexit now. With that sort of majority this Remainer is happy with the result. Boris will do for the country what he did for London. The result will be good because he will take all the Labour ideas he likes and make them his own without scaring the horses.
10 years of BJ as PM
Up the £!
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Well the size of the Conservative win is quite the shock. It puts pay to the suggestion of a remain majority waiting the in the long grass (accepting that the popular vote seems to have gone toward remain parties, I'm assuming that's centred around the south/south east), and I’d suggest that given the nature of the anti-immigrant and anti-poor lines from some senior Tories (including the offspring of immigrants to the UK), that it also signals the demise of liberal Britain.
The result in Northern Ireland is also a bit of a surprise, for the first time since its creation almost 100 years ago, NI has more nationalist MP’s than unionist, with a shift in the vote away from the extremes and along with the numbers from Scotland it looks like the Union is under greater strain than at any time since the late 1800s early 1900s and the subsequent departure of Ireland.
The cabinet reshuffle will tell a lot.
JAS
The result in Northern Ireland is also a bit of a surprise, for the first time since its creation almost 100 years ago, NI has more nationalist MP’s than unionist, with a shift in the vote away from the extremes and along with the numbers from Scotland it looks like the Union is under greater strain than at any time since the late 1800s early 1900s and the subsequent departure of Ireland.
The cabinet reshuffle will tell a lot.
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
And welcome to the UK. now on course to become a full fledged right wing junta in it's own right.
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Originally Posted by Islandlad
That is so wrong.
New PM. Very well delivered inclusive speech from Gove. Get Brexit Done!
It won't be a hard Brexit now. With that sort of majority this Remainer is happy with the result. Boris will do for the country what he did for London. The result will be good because he will take all the Labour ideas he likes and make them his own without scaring the horses.
10 years of BJ as PM
Up the £!
New PM. Very well delivered inclusive speech from Gove. Get Brexit Done!
It won't be a hard Brexit now. With that sort of majority this Remainer is happy with the result. Boris will do for the country what he did for London. The result will be good because he will take all the Labour ideas he likes and make them his own without scaring the horses.
10 years of BJ as PM
Up the £!
To actually believe anything Boris, let alone Gove, says is more than naïve . Both are accomplished political liars and neither are going to change. If anything, flushed with success, they will get worse.
Remind us of what Boris did for London...or rather Boris's grandiose ego massaging plans for spending money.
The one thing the Tories have always excelled at is, once in power, they get over confident....after all, with a majority, they can't be out voted on policies, However, the electorate aren't going to watch passively once the arrogance becomes imposed and the promises evaporate.
Boris can't continue with this "image " now that he's achieved his goal.... and therein lies the weakness.
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Originally Posted by sidevalve
Junta: a government, especially a military one, that has taken power in a country by force and not by election.
Hope the Jewish community where he lives can breathe a little easier now.
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Originally Posted by Exrigger
All we need now is for Cornish Jack to use his maths to demonstrate that Labour /Lib Dems/remain actually won, it would also appear at first glance that not enough old leavers had shuffled off their mortal coils, or that the new young voters would carry Labour and remain to victory as predicted.
So . . .
