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Old 24th May 2020, 13:26
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Fascinating to note that we appear to have only two of the 'usual suspects' going to bat for the odious Cummings - capt K and ORAC, who, surprise, surprise, seems not to have an appropriate c&p to enlighten us ! Mind you, the situation is dire when the 'Orderly Corporal' of the ERG, one S Baker, takes to the media to suggest Cummings' defenestration! At this rate, before you know it, there'll be a baying mob of three or four Little Englanders crying out for a restitution of fox-hunting or Capital Punishment or something similarly diverting. Cummings' ability to twang the heartstrings of one particular section of Britain's mysogynistic, racist, xenophobic elite power brokers is a talent, without which, the Grand Oaf would be even less competent and thus the frantic efforts to retain him. K's tactic of attempting to divert attention by switching to matters of similar concern is, probably, even more indicative of desperation. It could be argued that pointing out yet another area of Government incompetence is not necessarily the best remedy for dealing with the indefensible. "When you're up to your ass in alligators ... etc."
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Old 24th May 2020, 13:46
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Much as I'm loathe to admit it, out of all the possibilities that we open to us, as far as leading the country goes, Boris Johnson was, without a doubt, the least worst option.
Agreed. And it's a sad reflection on our politics today that there is no-one better at the moment to take over from this pompous self-centered oaf.
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Old 24th May 2020, 15:02
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Interesting - the 4pm daily briefing has had a late change - now 5pm with Boris instead. Should be fun!
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Old 24th May 2020, 15:06
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Interesting - the 4pm daily briefing has had a late change - now 5pm with Boris instead. Should be fun!
That may suggest that Boris Johnson is going to try and defend Cummings, perhaps. I can't help but feel that to do so might be close to political suicide, given the strength of feeling about this. It may be that Boris Johnson is going to announce Cummings resignation, but I'd have thought that he'd want to play it down if that was the case, and choose a time when he'd not be subject to an instant barrage of questions, particularly given that it seems that No 10 knew full well what Cummings had done, and seem to have colluded with him to try and cover it up.
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Old 24th May 2020, 15:11
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That may suggest that Boris Johnson is going to try and defend Cummings, perhaps. I can't help but feel that to do so might be close to political suicide, given the strength of feeling about this. It may be that Boris Johnson is going to announce Cummings resignation, but I'd have thought that he'd want to play it down if that was the case, and choose a time when he'd not be subject to an instant barrage of questions, particularly given that it seems that No 10 knew full well what Cummings had done, and seem to have colluded with him to try and cover it up.
I agree with your analysis. Some journalists are suggesting that he’ll announce that the Cabinet Secretary will conduct an inquiry, which will allow him to answer most questions with ‘I won’t pre-judge the outcome of the inquiry’. Either way Boris isn’t at his best when getting grilled by journalists, so I’ll be worth watching.
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Old 24th May 2020, 15:13
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
I agree with your analysis. Some journalists are suggesting that he’ll announce that the Cabinet Secretary will conduct an inquiry, which will allow him to answer most questions with ‘I won’t pre-judge the outcome of the inquiry’. Either way Boris isn’t at his best when getting grilled by journalists, so I’ll be worth watching.
Indeed it will! I am looking forward to a circus at 17:00!
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Old 24th May 2020, 15:21
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If he does carry on defending Cummings, then there has to be some exceptional reason for doing so. Ministers have made far less serious errors of judgement and been almost encouraged to resign with barely a murmur, yet it seems that No 10 is bending over backwards, in the face of a considerable amount of public disquiet, in order to defend a temporary Civil Servant. Either Cummings has an extraordinary and unique talent, or, as seems far more likely, he has Boris Johnson by the balls, with some secrets that Boris is determined shall not ever see the light of day.
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Old 24th May 2020, 15:49
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Sallyann,

I would never seek to disagree with 200 academics. After all, the 364 academics that wrote to The Times in 1981 were nearly twice as many. J.M K versus Mr Milton F. The barstewards that marked my A level in Economics some years earlier were all Keynsians. I wish my teacher had warned me.

Once a journalist sees lots of column inches, off they go.

I prefer the earlier article. Boris should have been on the job in February.
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Old 24th May 2020, 15:50
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I still think Cummings should resign. SWMBO does not - she thinks he was looking after family.
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Old 24th May 2020, 16:05
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The irony is that although there would still have been a fuss, if Cummings had come out and said that he accepted that with hindsight he could have made a different decision, but at that the time the welfare of his son was upmost in his thoughts, it would probably have gone away. Instead the mixture of apparent cover up, and orchestrated backing for Cummings by cabinet ministers have done Johnson far more damage than needed to be the case.
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Old 24th May 2020, 16:05
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So Boris is supporting Cummings . . .
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Old 24th May 2020, 16:06
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A total whitewash! I won't be listening to the remainder of his tripe!
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Old 24th May 2020, 16:07
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I still think Cummings should resign. SWMBO does not - she thinks he was looking after family.
I think he's in a delicate position right now. I don't think his position is untenable yet, but any new allegations and I think it will be.

I think a lot of heat could have been taken out of the situation by an early and humble apology. An admission, perhaps, that he bent the lockdown rules as regards travel but only to ensure the welfare of his children, not for any personal convenience.

But I guess Dom doesn't do humble.
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Old 24th May 2020, 16:09
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So Boris is supporting Cummings . . .
Of course he has, never any doubt, he's untouchable.
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Old 24th May 2020, 16:11
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As expected and stated earlier, he's too important to Boris to be let go.
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Old 24th May 2020, 16:12
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It's not often that I get extremely angry with any politician, but Johnson has just had me shouting at the screen. Absolutely unbelievable that the prat thinks that Cummings behaviour was in any way justifiable. I sincerely hope that his action in supporting Cummings, when he didn't support others who made far less serious errors of judgment, backfires and energises those that seek to get Cummings disciplined for this.
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Old 24th May 2020, 16:12
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
The irony is that although there would still have been a fuss, if Cummings had come out and said that he accepted that with hindsight he could have made a different decision, but at that the time the welfare of his son was upmost in his thoughts, it would probably have gone away. Instead the mixture of apparent cover up, and orchestrated backing for Cummings by cabinet ministers have done Johnson far more damage than needed to be the case.
Exactly. I sometimes wonder what advantage public figures think they'll gain by trying to bluster their way out of trouble. I think the general public are more receptive to and appreciative of honesty and clarity than politicians give them credit for.
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Old 24th May 2020, 16:36
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I'll openly admit that I voted Conservative at the last election and was fairly optimistic that Johnson's breathless, fresh and enthusiastic approach would do us well. I've recently been less than impressed by the government's handling of certain aspects of the Covid pandemic and this Cummings episode has just put me firmly on the other side of the line. Johnson's dismissive and evasive answers on today's brief certainly showed - to me at least - the man's calibre.
He'll never get another ballot box tick from me.
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Old 24th May 2020, 16:40
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This has not done anything for Johnson's reputation. It's made him look weak and afraid to make hard decisions.

He said that Cummings 'acted with integrity', so we now know what Boris understands by the word. He will apply the same standards to himself when necessary.

I think this will come back to haunt him, not least because those tory MPs who publicly urged Boris to sack him will be frustrated and angry.
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Old 24th May 2020, 17:09
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As far as the cummings affair is concerned, I believe that most of us in this thread are...'.know next to nothing about it random keyboard warriors', not people on the ground able to investigate truth of the claims and counterclaims.
Someone somewhere is now doing that groundwork from start to finish and we will be able to read the truth in the middle distant future. Meantime DC and BJ are free to fly.
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