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Old 24th May 2020, 07:43
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This govt, or at least those in the top echelons on it, will not let Cummings go no matter what at the moment I fear. He may slip away in some months time but not yet unfortunately. As for lying, its the stock in trade for this govt (more than most), combined with the organisational abilities and planning ability of a Goldfish.
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Old 24th May 2020, 08:16
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Waterloo, by any chance?
Might have been more appropriate, but the report mentions that the Abba track he was allegedly playing in the garden on 5th April was "Dancing Queen"
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Old 24th May 2020, 08:40
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Much as I would like to see the back of Cummings, it cannot be on the unsubstantiated word of a witness at Barnard Castle.
The gentleman says that he recorded the registration number of the suspect's car, and he would have given this to the newspapers that carried the story. I'm certain they will have the means to trace the registered keeper. It remains to be seen who that was.
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Old 24th May 2020, 08:58
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Might have been more appropriate, but the report mentions that the Abba track he was allegedly playing in the garden on 5th April was "Dancing Queen"
Are we sure it’s wasn’t, “What’s the Name of the Game.”?

I almost felt quite sorry for Schapps yesterday at the briefing. It was almost, “Yeah, yeah. Get on with it.” when he and Jenny Harries were doing their presentation on statistics as the questioners were itching to get their teeth into the Cummings debacle.
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Old 24th May 2020, 09:09
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Grant Shapps is seriously fumbling on the Andrew Marr show.

Shapps also seems to be almost accepting that the report that Cummings was seen in Barnard Castle on 12th April might be correct, and stated that this was OK as his 14 day quarantine period was over. Contrast this with the treatment of Prof Neil Ferguson, who was also out of quarantine when his lady friend came to visit him.



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Old 24th May 2020, 09:09
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In the meantime while many are getting lathered up about an event of relative insignificance, 20,000 or more unchecked foreign arrivals per day enter the country.
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Old 24th May 2020, 09:13
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In the meantime while many are getting lathered up about an event of relative insignificance, 20,000 or more unchecked foreign arrivals per day enter the country.
Yes, the government has been totally incompetent in dealing with this crisis. I think anyone except their most slavish supporters accepts that.
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Old 24th May 2020, 09:19
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The Meme Sahib and I got tested yesterday due to having a mild temperature on Friday. If the results come back positive then I obviously have no choice but to drive my daughters to my sister's house as she's the only available relative who can take care of them.

She lives in Sydney, but according to the Glorious Leader distance isn't important when it's a family thing.

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Old 24th May 2020, 09:21
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Grant Shapps is seriously fumbling on the Andrew Marr show.

Shapps also seems to be almost accepting that the report that Cummings was seen in Barnard Castle on 12th April might be correct, and stated that this was OK as his 14 day quarantine period was over. Contrast this with the treatment of Prof Neil Ferguson, who was also out of quarantine when his lady friend came to visit him.
Indeed, though Marr is by no mean the incisive interviewer he used to be, and it looked as though he wasn't absolutely sure of his facts either.

What was really disappointing, is that as a result of "Cummingsgate" (well someone had to add the suffix sooner or later!) Shapps wasn't challenged on transport matters at all; matters such as how London Underground has been bailed out, where at tram systems elsewhere have been flung a couple of crumbs to perhaps tie them over, and the futility of the quarantine for foreign arrivals being imposed in June, and how it is supposed to be enforced - and of course what would happen if Cummings or another government advisor or member broke the rules.

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Old 24th May 2020, 10:23
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
I apologise for my poor taste, given the current crisis, but Cummings clearly knows where the bodies are buried. That can be the only reason he has survived so far.
I think it's far simpler than that.

This is simply political SOP. The first instinct of any administration of any colour is to close ranks, rebut any allegations and hope that the story fades away. To throw someone of Cummings high profile under the bus at the first hint of wrongdoing would simply signal to the press and the opposition that they could demand and expect to receive a resignation anytime a senior figure stepped out of line. Tony Blair understood this and made a point of standing by embattled colleagues - at least until such time as it became clear the story wasn't going away......

I think the issue with Cummings will be whether this story dies a death or continues to gain traction.
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Old 24th May 2020, 10:45
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Well, this is the kind of commentary that Cummings' antics are now attracting.

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Old 24th May 2020, 10:46
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It seems that several Conservative MPs have now publicly stated that Cummings needs to resign/be sacked. I get the feeling that this isn't going to go away, both because it seems pretty clear that Cummings stretched the definition as to what was reasonable behaviour beyond the credibility of most, and because I suspect he's made quite a few enemies within the Conservative party over the years. If the opposition and LibDems continue to apply pressure as well, then it's hard to see how Boris Johnson can continue to keep Cummings in post.

The key point might be the one that DaveReidUK mentioned in post #3038 above, that Cummings may well have a hold over Johnson, Gove and others, perhaps because of some of the things that went on during the Brexit campaign.
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Old 24th May 2020, 10:49
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Much as I would like to see the back of Cummings, it cannot be on the unsubstantiated word of a witness at Barnard Castle.
The gentleman says that he recorded the registration number of the suspect's car, and he would have given this to the newspapers that carried the story. I'm certain they will have the means to trace the registered keeper. It remains to be seen who that was.
I have no doubt that the newpapers will have done exactly that.

But, given that it's illegal for even a police officer to look up a registration on the PNC/DVLA without a valid reason (and there have been prosecutions for doing so), the papers can't acknowledge that they know that information. Nor, obviously can they publish the uncorroborated number recorded by the witness.
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Old 24th May 2020, 10:53
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Fact is that had we done what he did, and got stopped, we would have been turned around, or fined £60.00 if we insisted on carrying on. I rather imagine he, on the other hand, flashed his "silver badge" (ref. Rt Hon Jim Hacker, drunk as a lord in charge of a motor vehicle) and the constable to said "OK Sir, on your way!".
Technically I donít think he did anything wrong. Iím not defending him as I think the story about looking after vulnerable relatives was a load of cr*p.

The guidelines state you can leave the home to look after vulnerable relatives (or is it just anyone in general?). Thatís what he is saying he was doing. How do you prove thatís untrue? You canít, so technically he was allowed.

my wife who works for the NHS has to drive to her mothers residential care home twice a week for a round trip of 150 miles. To deliver her food and generally look after her. She does have carers come in twice a day but they wonít put food away so canít get deliveries. All they will do is dress her in the morning and shower and put her to bed in the evening. Bedtime for her is 1900. Sometimes the carers donít show up until after 2300!! Different carers almost every day.

We did try and get her into a respite care home and found one that could accommodate her until they said they have a confirmed case of CV19 on the premises but are managing it. We had to weigh up the risks of keeping her where she is or sending her their. We decided while not idea it was probably best she stayed where she was although the level of care she is receiving isnít the best.

Sorry for the off topic rant, just realised I had strayed significantly from where I originally had planned.
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Old 24th May 2020, 10:56
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
It seems that several Conservative MPs have now publicly stated that Cummings needs to resign/be sacked. I get the feeling that this isn't going to go away, both because it seems pretty clear that Cummings stretched the definition as to what was reasonable behaviour beyond the credibility of most, and because I suspect he's made quite a few enemies within the Conservative party over the years. If the opposition and LibDems continue to apply pressure as well, then it's hard to see how Boris Johnson can continue to keep Cummings in post.

The key point might be the one that DaveReidUK mentioned in post #3038 above, that Cummings may well have a hold over Johnson, Gove and others, perhaps because of some of the things that went on during the Brexit campaign.
You.ve seen more than I have ! Which 'several Conservative MPs?'
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Old 24th May 2020, 11:04
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Originally Posted by Capt Kremmen View Post
You.ve seen more than I have ! Which 'several Conservative MPs?'
As of half an hour or so ago, via BBC News:

A growing number of Conservative MPs are calling for UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson to sack his top aide, Dominic Cummings.
It comes after prominent 1922 Committee member Steve Baker first said this morning Cummings "must go".

Other Tory MPs include:

Sir Roger Gale, MP for North Thanet, who tweeted that Cummings' position "is no longer tenable"

Caroline Nokes, MP for Romsey and Southampton, who tweeted "there cannot be one rule for most of us and wriggle room for others"

Craig Whittaker, MP for Calder Valley, who agreed Cummings' position was "untenable" and tweeted that "you cannot advise the nation one thing then do the opposite"

Damian Collins, MP for Folkestone and Hythe and former chair of the digital, culture, media and sport Committee, who tweeted "the government would be better without [Cummings]"

Simon Hoare, MP for North Dorset, who tweeted that Cummings "must consider his position" and was "wounding the PM/Govt"

Peter Bone, MP for Wellingborough and Rushden, told LBC that Cummings "has to go" because he broke the rules and has not apologised

William Wragg, MP for Hazel Grove, has retweeted Baker's criticism of Cummings.





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Old 24th May 2020, 11:14
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This list, including some Brexit extremists, such as Bone and Gale included in their ranks, I think spells the end of Cummings' tenure. It's pretty clear that to many Tory MPs Cummings was very useful in getting Brexit done, but is now eminently expendable.

(For the avoidance of doubt I don't consider all Brexiteers "extremists").
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Old 24th May 2020, 11:15
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But, given that it's illegal for even a police officer to look up a registration on the PNC/DVLA without a valid reason (and there have been prosecutions for doing so), the papers can't acknowledge that they know that information
Nobody has to look it up it a database, his car is parked outside his house - and the press was all around it as they waited for him to come out yesterday morning. It wouldn’t have been beyond th3 wit if man to write the registration down and ask the elderly gent up north for the registration he says he checked and has in his search history.



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Old 24th May 2020, 11:16
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Originally Posted by papabravowhiskey View Post

Well, this is the kind of commentary that Cummings' antics are now attracting.
That has made my day! I nearly choked on my coffee!

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Old 24th May 2020, 11:20
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There's a long and detailed article in today's Times about all the mistakes the government has made in dealing with the pandemic, leading to the UK's worst death rate in Europe.
Who is going to apologise for all these unnecessary deaths?

Only the front page is available without a log-in, but perhaps someone who can paste Times articles would like to paste this one?

Three weeks of dither and delay on coronavirus that cost thousands of british lives
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