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Old 23rd May 2020, 17:39
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Interesting that Boris hasn't spoken on the Cummings fiasco yet. Some of his chums have said that he has Boris's full support, but we know where that phrase so often leads. Where are you Boris?
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Old 23rd May 2020, 17:44
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Also, it's now very clear from the timeline that Cummings made the decision to drive ~250 miles after he had developed symptoms of Covid-19.
An assumption. He was seen sprinting from Downing St on Friday 27th when it was announced Boris was infected. It is equally fair to assume he made the decision to self-isolate at the same time and travelled on Sat 28th when he was either asymptomatic or only had mild symptoms. That leaves a period of 17 days for his period of incapacitation prior to his return to work.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 17:52
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
An assumption. He was seen sprinting from Downing St on Friday 27th when it was announced Boris was infected. It is equally fair to assume he made the decision to self-isolate at the same time and travelled on Sat 28th when he was either asymptomatic or only had mild symptoms. That leaves a period of 17 days for his period of incapacitation prior to his return to work.
That doesn’t square with what his wife wrote about it in The Spectator. She stated that he sprinted home to look after her when she started showing symptoms (this is generally assumed to be Friday 27th as you refer), and then a day later he began feeling weird and couldn’t get out of bed, which would make it the Saturday when he became ill, and from her description shouldn’t have been driving anywhere regardless of lockdown rules.

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Old 23rd May 2020, 18:00
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Where are you Boris?
In a fridge somewhere probably, that's the usual response.

A complete waste of time trying to get DC sacked and the effort involved will be a great distraction welcomed by the cabinet who specialise in avoiding awkward questions.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 18:04
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Capt Kremmen:
Resolution and sheer doggedness got me out of my hotel and onto a GB bound aircraft. Perhaps Mr. Cummings displayed those same qualities ?
Are we to take it then that you drove the UK bound flight? In the same manner D.C. or his wife drove their car? I am, of course, assuming his kid didn't drive it!
Re your badgering of SallyAnn for a response to msg #2991; how about a response from yourself to my #2985?
As for your attempt at whataboutism, a review of posts will show a number of people, myself included, have lambasted Mrs Patel for failing to implement quarantine measures months ago. There was no excuse then and there is no excuse now. Talk about stable doors and poor old Dobbin!
Did you watch Shapps today? Notice how when a journalist put to him the contrast between Cummings's behaviour and that of the people who had to forgo funerals of loved ones because of the lock down rules, there was a huge politician style swerve and the question was never fully addressed.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 18:07
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An assumption. He was seen sprinting from Downing St on Friday 27th
I see now! He was having such a jolly good sprint, he ran straight across Horse Guards Parade, up the Edgeware Rd, found himself on the A1 and, well, one thing led to another and there he was! In Durham. 4 days to sprint that kind of distance? Not bad.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 19:57
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
It seems to me that, if Cummings and his madam were as sick as she makes out, it would not have been beyond their wit or means to call the relative who is being dragged into it and ask "Can you take the next train from Darlington, pick up young Gilbert (aka Cummings Jr) and take him up to Durham for a week or two?"
We have all seen reports over the years of people driving when tired killing multiple victims in horrific pile ups. What if Cummings (if he was driving) had passed out during that drive? Why should another innocent family have to pay the price?
Re your 2985 as requested

It might have been 'beyond their wit and means'. Who are you to query their selection and methods. A relative might not have been available; Woulda/Shoulda/Coulda. Do you know them well ? How long have you been able to forecast the possibilities available to the Cummings family. You were not privy to their decisions any more than I was. I've heard many reports over the years of people driving when they were tired and not killing or injuring anyone.

You don't know the circumstances prevailing any more than I do. You're adding innuendo to speculation hoping to come up with some hopefully damaging character assassination aimed straight at Mr. Cummings, because he's far from being your cup of tea politically. Rabid politics seems to be your particular niche.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 20:06
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Let's not rush our fences. Slow down a bit. Self imposed quarantine for thousands of visitors- not a chance ! A brief medical examination might have been more than a token. Temperature, respiration, blood sample - all posssible The point is to do something so that we are seen to be doing it.

Grant Shapps ? One of my least favourite politicians. Sharp suited and shifty.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 20:06
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He's on furlough
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Old 23rd May 2020, 20:23
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Leaving aside the issue of Cummings ill-considered decision to ignore the rules being applied to everyone else in the country for a moment, what about the timeline, and the gross disparity between the account of his time away from work as given by his wife, the prime minister's office and the known facts?

The prime minister's office very clearly stated, on 31st March, that Cummings was, quote: ‘He is at home, he is self-isolating, he has some symptoms’. At least some of this was untrue. He most definitely was not at home at all on that date. He was proven to be in Durham on 31st March, according to the police.

A neighbour alleges that he was seen in the garden of the Durham property on 5th April. He was seen returning to work on 14th April. His wife very clearly stated that he had been "doggo", "laid up" and struggling to breathe for ten days. This also has to be, at least partly, untrue.

We are being lied to, by the prime minister's office, Cummings and his wife. Cummings may well be disliked by many, me included, but leaving that to one side, as a trusted advisor to our government he has to be seen to have integrity, and sadly this seems to be a quality lacking in him, his wife and the office of the prime minister.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 20:27
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Is it possible either Boris or Cummings infected each other? The timings would be about right.

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Old 23rd May 2020, 20:31
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
Is it possible either Boris or Cummings infected each other? The timings would be about right.

Seems probable, but others in that group were also infected, including Matt Hancock and Prof Chris Whitty. It may well be that others there were also infected, but that we just haven't heard about them.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 20:33
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What's this, VP ​​​​​, facts? facts?
This won't do at all.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 20:57
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Originally Posted by Capt Kremmen View Post
Re your 2985 as requested

It might have been 'beyond their wit and means'. Who are you to query their selection and methods. A relative might not have been available; Woulda/Shoulda/Coulda. Do you know them well ? How long have you been able to forecast the possibilities available to the Cummings family. You were not privy to their decisions any more than I was. I've heard many reports over the years of people driving when they were tired and not killing or injuring anyone.

You don't know the circumstances prevailing any more than I do. You're adding innuendo to speculation hoping to come up with some hopefully damaging character assassination aimed straight at Mr. Cummings, because he's far from being your cup of tea politically. Rabid politics seems to be your particular niche.
I asked the question. I didn't propose or promote any possible answers to it. That appears to be your forte.
So you have heard of many people driving while tired without killing or injuring anyone? Wow! I have heard of people driving while paralytic drunk without killing anyone. Does that make drunk driving any more acceptable?
Anything I aim at Cummings will be more from a human dislike basis, rather then merely his politics.
As for you last sentence, I consider that offensive. Please take it back. My comments are all squarely aimed at those who deserve them, with a particular dislike of lying, scheming politicians. And those who support them through thick and thin!
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Old 23rd May 2020, 21:18
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The Cummings fiasco seems to be getting worse. Just been reported on the news that whilst he was staying in Durham he was allegedly spotted at a beauty spot 30 miles away.

Meanwhile, we've been told that during his 14 days absence in quarantine, he spent 10 days laid up doggo, struggling to breathe, and was allegedly seen 5 days into this 14 day period listening to Abba in the garden of the Durham property. It seems that there are either lies being told about what's been going on, or Cummings, his wife and the prime minister's office have developed some magical form of time dilation, that makes 10 days fit into a far shorter period of time.

It also seems that the prime minister's office are now trying to re-write history, as they are now claiming that it wasn't Cummings that was ill, and was showing Covid-19 symptoms, as they announced on 31st March, but it was his wife. That then begs the question as to exactly how a fit and well Cummings drove to Durham, then fell seriously ill for ten days (according to his wife), was seen to be up and about on 5th April and was fully recovered and back at work on 14th April. They must think that we're all complete blithering idiots. . .
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Old 23rd May 2020, 21:22
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A second visit?
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Old 23rd May 2020, 21:35
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Seems Cummings most probably did take a trip from Durham to Barnard Castle (~30 miles from Durham), along with his wife and child, on 12th April, whilst he was supposedly still self-isolating at "home" (according to Downing St.):

Robin Lees, 70, a retired chemistry teacher from the town [Barnard Castle], says he saw Cummings and his family walking by the Tees before getting into a car around lunch time on 12 April. Lees said: “I was a bit gobsmacked to see him, because I know what he looks like. And the rest of the family seemed to match – a wife and child. I was pretty convinced it was him and it didn’t seem right because I assumed he would be in London.”

He added: “I went home and told my wife, we thought he must be in London. I searched up the number plate later that day and my computer search history shows that.”


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Old 23rd May 2020, 22:22
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I apologise for my poor taste, given the current crisis, but Cummings clearly knows where the bodies are buried. That can be the only reason he has survived so far.

As for whether that will continue after the latest revelations, I fear so.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 22:28
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He's just too important to be let go. Boris and co would be even more lost without him.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 22:57
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The mood music will shortly change, as the cabinet ‘members’ ( pun intended),climb over each other to distance themselves from Cummings, he will shortly be toast!
The amoral scum bags in charge of the current 5hit show, are about to scatter!
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