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Old 21st May 2020, 15:52
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
That Mr Farage is an excitable chap, isn't he? The Border Force vessel he refers to in the early part of his piece is in fact the Dover lifeboat "City of London 2".
Not to worry, he has mistaken the French vessel too. That is a French Coastguard vessel, not the French Navy.
Never mind, I hope his mates enjoyed their fishing!
Perhaps we should be more concerned with the illegal people smuggling than Nigels ship spotting.
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Old 21st May 2020, 16:44
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I can't believe this is happening now we have Taken Back Control. What's gone wrong?
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Old 21st May 2020, 17:05
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Reference the illegal immigrants. Sky was out in Dover this morning and reported at least 7 separate boats, escorted by a variety of French patrol vessels, crossing into UK waters then being picked up by a variety of RN, Coastguard and RNLI vessels. And that was by 0900 this morning.
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Old 21st May 2020, 17:25
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Companies protected against takeover attempts from China

Governments that may have “ulterior motives”, such as China, would be prevented from taking over struggling British companies under new legislation, Boris Johnson said yesterday.
May I venture to suggest that the largest threat to UK companies that they get bought out by American ones - Cadbury being a case in point, another Boots. But then, if we are to get the "greatest trade deal ever" we couldn't possibly block US plundering of the "family silver" could we? I'm anticipating that within 12 months Pratt and Whitney or GE will have bought Rolls Royce Aero Engines. Anyone care to bet against that?
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Old 21st May 2020, 18:49
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
May I venture to suggest that the largest threat to UK companies that they get bought out by American ones - Cadbury being a case in point, another Boots. But then, if we are to get the "greatest trade deal ever" we couldn't possibly block US plundering of the "family silver" could we? I'm anticipating that within 12 months Pratt and Whitney or GE will have bought Rolls Royce Aero Engines. Anyone care to bet against that?
Why haven't they already?

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Old 22nd May 2020, 07:58
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More on China. In the present climate this will get Labour support both strategically and for jobs......

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...orts-bmlxnl8jl

Boris Johnson wants self-sufficiency to end reliance on Chinese imports

Boris Johnson has ordered civil servants to draw up plans codenamed Project Defend to end Britain’s reliance on China for vital medical supplies and other strategic imports in light of the coronavirus crisis.

Officials across Whitehall have been asked to identify the country’s key economic vulnerabilities to potentially hostile foreign governments as part of a new approach to national security. The initiative, led by Dominic Raab, the foreign secretary, could lead to the government intervening to support the “repatriation” of key manufacturing capabilities such as pharmaceuticals as part of a new national resilience framework. It is also looking at supply chain issues where critical UK businesses rely on components from abroad to make finished products.

The Times understands that two cross-departmental working groups have been set up as part of wider work being done across government to plan for the post-coronavirus economy. Project Defend is assessing the national resilience of “essential supplies”. A source said it had been tasked with “planning for future events — no matter what they might be”. A second “capabilities” group is looking at where the government needs to support industry to “onshore” critical production such as pharmaceutical supplies. One source suggested that these groups would feed into the government’s review of post-Brexit state aid rules to make them more flexible to support industries that were of strategic national importance to the UK......

Last week it emerged that the UK was strategically dependent on China for
71 critical goods categories. Active pharmaceutical ingredients needed to make painkillers, antibiotics and antiviral drugs are among the items for which Britain is a net importer and it relies on China for 50 per cent of its supplies. Industrial chemicals, certain metal products and consumer electronics including mobile phones and laptops are others, according to international trade data analysed by the Henry Jackson Society, a foreign policy think tank that takes a hawkish stance on China.......

The UK’s approach is being mirrored by other European countries. On Monday President Macron of France and Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, called for greater EU sovereignty on medical products.


The work is linked to separate government proposals to make it harder for foreign companies to buy up strategically important British companies that have lost value during the pandemic. Mr Johnson told MPs on Wednesday he would introduce measures to “protect our technological base”.......

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Old 22nd May 2020, 08:54
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
Why haven't they already?

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Probably because they were poor value. There will be a lot of bargains out there in the wake of the Covid-19 crisis, and for companies with money, or wish shareholders with deep pockets, opportunities will abound. It would have been good think that RR could have looked to buy GE Aero Engines of P&W but in reality if they tried, I suspect the US government would (rightly in my opinion) block any foreign takeover.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 09:19
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Probably because they were poor value. There will be a lot of bargains out there in the wake of the Covid-19 crisis, and for companies with money, or wish shareholders with deep pockets, opportunities will abound. It would have been good think that RR could have looked to buy GE Aero Engines of P&W but in reality if they tried, I suspect the US government would (rightly in my opinion) block any foreign takeover.
The US would certainly block any takeover of a strategic industry. We've never had any qualms about it.

We've already had utilities sold abroad, and companies like Cadbury whose US buyer lied to a parliamentary enquiry and then moved production to Poland.

Now we have the stupidity of a government that bans the use of Chinese telecoms within range of nuclear power stations - stations built by China!

The British disease of short termism for a quick profit and damn the future seems too heavily ingrained to stop.

How much further it will go? How much is there left to sell?
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Old 22nd May 2020, 09:34
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Now we have the stupidity of a government that bans the use of Chinese telecoms within range of nuclear power stations - stations built by China!
Really? Which ones?

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Old 22nd May 2020, 10:43
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Priti Vacant will be in full stomach churning smirk mode when she does the 5pm press conference today as she’ll be able to announce formally the 14 day quarantine regime. Hard to think what would give her more pleasure than inconveniencing a load of foreigners! (Brit returnees will just be collateral damage!).
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Old 22nd May 2020, 10:54
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Priti Vacant will be in full stomach churning smirk mode when she does the 5pm press conference today as she’ll be able to announce formally the 14 day quarantine regime. Hard to think what would give her more pleasure than inconveniencing a load of foreigners! (Brit returnees will just be collateral damage!).
If Priti Useless is doing the press conference I'll give it a miss! Still, as it's her department that's responsible for the quarantine it'll likely be ill thought out, and unworkable. I posted this on the "Coronavirus Impact on Air Travel" thread in "Airline Airports and Routes" this morning:-

My line of work involves visiting households who have had prior notice, in writing, that someone may would be calling around (and no, I'm not a bailiff!!). It is quite common to rock up on a doorstep, knock the door, lights on, TV on, voices from inside, but nobody answers the door. Many people have good reasons for acting this way; fear of crime obviously, but also, if they are fiddling benefits they may fear a visit from the council, or if they have debts, fear of bailiffs or the local loan shark from whom they've borrowed money.

Turn that on it's head and the plod arrives on the doorstep of someone supposed to be in quarantine, lights and TV on, voices heard. Do they assume that the residents are at home and go away? No lights on no sound from inside, do they assume residents aren't at home? Unless they're going to get a search warrant for speculatively for each address they're visiting in a given day, so they can break down the door and demand ID, or sit around the corner and watch the house (which is very poor use of police resources) how are they supposed to make effective checks.

Without employing half the former employees of the STASI, or recruiting spies from the local community who are will to report movements of people in enforced quarantine the government's quarantine system just won't work. Requisition a load of Premier Inns and Travelodges across the length and breadth of the UK place all arrival in them for 14 days and it might.
Can anyone explain how else it might work, other than the fear factor of being done for £1,000?
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Old 22nd May 2020, 11:02
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Really? Which ones?
“You are making a 50-year bet, not only that there will be no dispute between the UK and China, but also no dispute between China and one of the UK’s allies. It makes no strategic sense.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...lies-on-the-uk
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Old 22nd May 2020, 11:19
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Sally, they are investing in Hinkley, not building it. They haven't built, or participated in building, it or any other reactors in the UK.

They do have a design going through certification. I would take a bet none or ever commissioned or built.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:12
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Priti Vacuous and Quarantine. Imagine how this would work:
"Welcome to London Sir. Do you have an address where you plan to stay for your 14 days quarantine?"
"Yes. I will be at 123 Lower Upper High St., Bumbleford,"
"Thank you Sir, enjoy your stay".
6 days later:
"Right Smith, here's a couple of names and addresses for you to go and check".
"Sir, there's no such place as Bumbleford".
"Bugger! I wonder where he went?"
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:21
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Priti Vacuous and Quarantine. Imagine how this would work:
"Welcome to London Sir. Do you have an address where you plan to stay for your 14 days quarantine?"
"Yes. I will be at 123 Lower Upper High St., Bumbleford,"
"Thank you Sir, enjoy your stay".
6 days later:
"Right Smith, here's a couple of names and addresses for you to go and check".
"Sir, there's no such place as Bumbleford".
"Bugger! I wonder where he went?"
One would imagine that UKBA staff would be checking this person's passport data, including the holder's address to establish if he or she did actually live in Bumbleford. It could be that the API declaration could also tie the traveler to their home address.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:37
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One would imagine that UKBA staff would be checking this person's passport data, including the holder's address to establish if he or she did actually live in Bumbleford. It could be that the API declaration could also tie the traveler to their home address.
Passport data has no connection to the holders address, and API does not require you to give your address either.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:42
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I seem to remember watching one of those reality TV programmes a while ago about an airport that had a bit showing how the UKBA checked the addresses of some non-UK residents to see if where said they said were going to stay was really where they were going to stay. Not sure how rigorous it was, though, as I think the main objective was to try and prevent people coming into the country and being exploited as part of one of the modern slavery rackets. Not sure if they have the manpower to do even rudimentary checks once people are through the border control point though. Judging from the large number of illegal immigrants who seem able to just walk away and disappear within our society, my guess is they do next to sod all to check up on anyone.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:52
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Passport data has no connection to the holders address, and API does not require you to give your address either.
If that's true, why do you have to advise the passport agency when you move house? And if it's true it makes the proposed quarantine regulations even less workable. Might as well tell whoever asks that you'll be living at 1, Anystreet, Anytown; if they can't cross check how would they ever know you were fibbing?
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Old 22nd May 2020, 13:01
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If that's true, why do you have to advise the passport agency when you move house?
Whoever told you that is categorically wrong.

Straight off www.gov.uk. https://www.gov.uk/changing-passport-information


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You do not have to tell HM Passport Office or get a new passport if you:
  • change your address or contact details
Maybe you are confusing it with Driving Licence, which you do legally have to advise change of address...
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Old 22nd May 2020, 13:03
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Sally, they are investing in Hinkley, not building it. They haven't built, or participated in building, it or any other reactors in the UK.

They do have a design going through certification. I would take a bet none or ever commissioned or built.
If they are not going to be allowed to build at e.g Sizewell or Bradwell, government should be making to clear now as a matter of policy. Nothing to do with certification.
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