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Old 11th Apr 2020, 12:41
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I've just looked at the BBC News site and virtually every story on the first page is about the pandemic. It must be absolutely overwhelming for anyone who feels anxious looking at that.
Yes, and as an example of something that effects all of us, and has seemingly escaped the blinkered editors in TV newsrooms is that the limit for contactless payments would appear to have risen by 50% to £45 per transaction. A neighbour told me about it last night and I saw a sign to that effect in my Morrisons Local store when i walked up for a couple of bits this morning.

If the weather turns pear shaped next week, and I have a few minutes, I'm thinking of knocking up a "Coronavirus Bullshit Bingo card". Should easy the monotony of viewing the TV news for a few days.
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Old 11th Apr 2020, 12:47
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Am I alone in recognising Hancock is a compulsive Liar?.
No. Not by any means are you alone here.
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Old 11th Apr 2020, 12:48
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I read of the rise in the contactless limit on the BBC web site some days ago.
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Old 11th Apr 2020, 13:00
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
No. Not by any means are you alone here.
Hancock stated categorically in an earlier speech that anyone surviving Covid19 would be "immune". I don't know whether that was an intentional lie, but it was certainly irresponsible as he had no evidence for it and the South Korean evidence seems to contradict it.
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Old 11th Apr 2020, 13:02
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
I read of the rise in the contactless limit on the BBC web site some days ago.
Yes I think that was widely publicised.
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Old 11th Apr 2020, 13:10
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
My error in terminology re: the BBC.

I wasn't specifically picking the BBC out as being the worst, they are nowhere near as bad as some of the lunatic media outlets. However, the BBC has the resources to educate, something it always used to do pretty well. A few evenings ago there was a very good programme in the Horizon series (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...special-part-1 ), specifically dealing with the current pandemic. It was pretty well produced, factual (as far as I could tell) and reasonably easy to understand. The BBC could have taken the research they did for that programme and used it to produce some clear public information content, perhaps simplified a bit to make it more readily understood, and published that more widely.

One of my gripes is related to the fear that this pandemic is inducing in people. I can easily understand how a lot of people are going to be feeling anxious, frightened, and socially isolated right now, a recipe for mental health problems. A recent survey showed that this was already a potential problem, and the media should have a duty to reassure, to try and damp down the hysteria, to be responsible about what they publish, to balance the coronavirus content with other content a bit better. For example, I've just looked at the BBC News site and virtually every story on the first page is about the pandemic. It must be absolutely overwhelming for anyone who feels anxious looking at that.
Point taken and agreed with. It seems to me that in some of its broadcasting the BBC is shouting in a world of shrill voices. Maybe a bit more British understatement would be more appropriate.
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Old 11th Apr 2020, 14:22
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Yes, of course. It's just an extension on their account, but it's still way in excess of what is required. Anybody who is working from home at the moment knows how much it costs. A few hundred quid for a laptop, using your own internet and phone account, maybe a new desk or workspace is needed. An increase of £6000 still seems excessive when your average member of the public may only claim about £6/month deduction on their next tax claim. Even that has been denounced by many gobsh*tes on social media and Martin Lewis, the money saving expert, was pilloried for even suggesting that anyone should make a claim.

So, no it isn't fake news, it is a fact that MPs are being allowed to claim excessive expenses from the public purse...again!
If all they spend is a few hundred quid for a laptop then that is all they will get refunded - it is not a £10k bung as was alleged.
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Old 11th Apr 2020, 15:14
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Are we to believe they didn't have lap tops to begin with? If they were issued with one, then no need to claim for another. If they had bought them already, they will have expensed them so no need for more. Telling an MP he/she can expense more kit is like saying "Help yourself" to Ali Baba! "Mabel! Get the John Bull receipt printing kit out!"
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Old 11th Apr 2020, 15:39
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Are we to believe they didn't have lap tops to begin with? If they were issued with one, then no need to claim for another. If they had bought them already, they will have expensed them so no need for more. Telling an MP he/she can expense more kit is like saying "Help yourself" to Ali Baba! "Mabel! Get the John Bull receipt printing kit out!"

Not sure how the IT is run within that bit of the Crown Estate that includes MPs offices, but at work we only had thin clients on our desks, with a small box activated by our security pass. There was no PC on the desk, just a keyboard, mouse and screen, plus the tiny thin client box. This system was adopted to enhance security, as there was no data stored on a desktop box (the desktop and apps were running on virtual machines within a secure data centre). Laptops were tightly controlled, and had to be encrypted, for obvious reasons, so were not off-the-shelf devices, and they weren't routinely used by everyone, only those who had a definite need to work away from the office. These laptops were pretty locked down, with both physical and software security stuff. They didn't run normal versions of Windows, either, they ran the locked down version made for government use, that has none of the standard Microsoft telemetry and data gathering that's baked in to everyone else's version of Windows.

I would guess that the business of an MP is every bit as sensitive, particularly for those on committees and for ministers. If they aren't using robust, encrypted, devices I'd be pretty surprised.
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Old 11th Apr 2020, 15:53
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Hancock stated categorically in an earlier speech that anyone surviving Covid19 would be "immune". I don't know whether that was an intentional lie, but it was certainly irresponsible as he had no evidence for it and the South Korean evidence seems to contradict it.

I'm sure he was repeating what the medical advisers tell him - there are hundreds of daily research note s being published right now, none are peer reviewed and cross-checking the data is very very hard
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 05:04
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Wishful thinking although there may be a delay in imposing their intended autocratic policies . And since Boris is singing the praised of the NHS and al those low paid workers who were previously thought of as being inconsequential and disposable, presumably his gratitude will be expressed with significant pay awards shortly...…

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ckdown-cartoon
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 07:00
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
I'm sure he was repeating what the medical advisers tell him - there are hundreds of daily research note s being published right now, none are peer reviewed and cross-checking the data is very very hard
I'm sure he thought about what his medical advisors told him for a few minutes then fabricated a version more in tune with the message he wanted to transmit than with the actual situation.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 07:41
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Strange how the mood of some here isn’t reflected in the country.....

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Old 12th Apr 2020, 08:09
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Strange how the mood of some here isn’t reflected in the country.....

https://twitter.com/goodwinmj/status...815734787?s=21
You seem surprised ORAC. but, there again, I'm pleased to say not all of us conform as well as having the audacity to neither believe nor trust Boris and this non Tory Gov't as far as we could , metaphorically , kick them.....a distance that could be measured in microns in fact.

However, at some point the crisis will start to abate , an exit strategy will need to be implemented and a deeper scrutiny of the Govt's mishandling of events can begin.

Feel free to present us with, yet another, poll when the public start to become more aware and decidedly less enchanted with Boris thereafter.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 08:21
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Strange how the mood of some here isn’t reflected in the country.....

https://twitter.com/goodwinmj/status...815734787?s=21
What do you mean?

If the figures above are reflected in the attitudes displayed by posters here, I would expect 45% of the posts to be critical, wouldn’t you?

Not everyone sees Boris as the new messiah, sorry if that disappoints you.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 08:27
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Not everyone sees Boris as the new messiah, sorry if that disappoints you.
Until another one turns up he will have to do.

Who did you have in mind?

Britain's Conservative Party hits a new record high in the polls

Conservatives 55%
Labour 29%

26 point lead

And that's with Labour's new leader
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 08:28
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You say that but I was just thinking how much better everything would be now if that nice Mr Corbyn was in charge 😂😂
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 08:49
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Originally Posted by Islandlad View Post
Until another one turns up he will have to do.

Who did you have in mind?

Britain's Conservative Party hits a new record high in the polls

Conservatives 55%
Labour 29%

26 point lead

And that's with Labour's new leader
Yep. fancy Starmer only being in office for a mere 8 days and not having turned the Labour party into the next Gov't in that time !
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 09:01
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Yep. fancy Starmer only being in office for a mere 8 days and not having turned the Labour party into the next Gov't in that time !
Have to hit the ground running. Good job he was only elected to watch not actually run the country.

Boris didn't need 8 days easing in time

That's why the country prefers Conservative administrations.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 09:15
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Originally Posted by Islandlad View Post
Have to hit the ground running. Good job he was only elected to watch not actually run the country.

Boris didn't need 8 days easing in time

That's why the country prefers Conservative administrations.
If your definition of “hitting the ground running” is to lose every Parliamentary division for the first 6 weeks then Boris is indeed a star.
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