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Old 30th Nov 2019, 09:45
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The chap that took the tusk from the wall (aside from being a courageous thinking on his feet type not withstanding) will probably be done for stealing or defacing public property or something along those lines.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 09:55
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Originally Posted by Solar View Post
The chap that took the tusk from the wall (aside from being a courageous thinking on his feet type not withstanding) will probably be done for stealing or defacing public property or something along those lines.
Well on that irrational basis, presumably the murderer on day release ( according to the Mail ) will now be back inside a Cat A prison for breaching whatever terms are applicable to day release by getting involved in criminal activity then.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-50609915

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Old 30th Nov 2019, 10:00
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Originally Posted by Solar View Post
The chap that took the tusk from the wall (aside from being a courageous thinking on his feet type not withstanding) will probably be done for stealing or defacing public property or something along those lines.
Moronic post
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 10:34
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Seems irony is lost on some folks.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 10:39
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Seems irony is lost on some folks.
Often the case on JB....however, given some of the posts on this thread are anything but, it's far from unreasonable to suggest your own contribution continued in the same vein ....

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Old 30th Nov 2019, 10:47
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Seems irony is lost on some folks.
Suggesting an absurd outcome isn't irony.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 11:02
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Hope the folks on the parole board are all ok and can sleep soundly tonight after releasing a convicted terrorist on license only to see him kill and injure like a crazed madman..
I'm sure he was a model prisoner and expressed deep remorse and heart felt contrition for his prior offence(s).
Do not release terrorists early - is a good mantra. Repeat it as often as necessary to get it well into your heads.
While I’m sure the Parole Board are as concerned as anyone else, it seems the release of this guy had nothing to do with them:
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 11:03
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It's clear that a serious discussion on sentencing practices is required. It is absurd that someone convicted of terror offences is not subject to parole board scrutiny when it comes to their release.

Clearly the only appropriate sentences for terror offences are life imprisonment or death.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 11:51
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"Clearly the only appropriate sentences for terror offences are life imprisonment or death."

killing them just turns them into martyrs
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 11:55
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Originally Posted by Solar View Post
The chap that took the tusk from the wall (aside from being a courageous thinking on his feet type not withstanding) will probably be done for stealing or defacing public property or something along those lines.
I was thinking - when was someone last attacked with a narwhal tusk in C London? - Probably about 1500.......... but it certainly seemed to do the job.

I think people are just fed up with everything - politics, terrorists, the weather, Climate Emergency stopping your tube train, S region - so when something like this happens the feeling of outrage and the desire to get in and hit someone overpowers the normal urge to run. The I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE response

They did very well.....................
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 12:02
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The Queen has just sent as message of sympathy to the relatives of those killed and appreciation to those who took part in disabling the attacker.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 12:04
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
"Clearly the only appropriate sentences for terror offences are life imprisonment or death."

killing them just turns them into martyrs
That's always been the argument but I'm not sure it holds water.
These people aren't carrying out tit for tat attacks in response to some recent slight on them or their belief system.
If they are looking for martyrs to inspire them I'd suggest they've got plenty to keep them going already.
It's a bit like the argument that arming police leads to more criminals carrying guns.
If they could access guns they'd have them. They aren't holding out tbrough some sense of fair play.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 13:08
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Why is it that we can accommodate the termination of ISIS fighters in a war zone even though individuals may not actually have committed an act of murder, but are simply in company with others who may have. Yet we baulk at terminating people who intend to, or have committed murder against innocent civilians in pursuit of some sort of Nirvana. The UK military have dispatched a considerable number of "Martyrs" on their final journey. I see no difference in the "justification" whether the location is an ISIS stronghold in Syria or an ISIS "stronghold in Birmingham.

"Quantity" brings a whole new dimension to warfare.

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Old 30th Nov 2019, 14:26
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Long time lurker here, (first post)

Not a pilot (or even a flyer for that matter) but an interested onlooker here for some time now, I wondered if this 'human interest' angle might be of interest
to the audience

Note; just discovered I'm not allowed to post a link as new member so content yourselves with the text......

Brave bystanders chased a terrorist with a fire extinguisher and a 5-foot Narwhal whale tusk to stop him stabbing innocent people on London Bridge.

[...]Incredible footage shows the moment hero bystanders chased Khan down the bridge as he embarked on his rampage brandishing a huge knife. A white-haired man is seen tailing the attacker, who was wearing a black cap and hoody, and spraying him up close with a fire extinguisher.

Two other people quickly run after Khan and one can be seen jabbing him with what is believed to be a huge Narwhal tusk.

[...]A Polish chef named Łukasz has been identified by The Times as the man who was heroically brandishing the tusk and ran towards the attacker as he threatened to detonate his device.

A co-worker told the paper: ‘Łukasz grabbed a nearby pole and ran at him, getting stabbed in the hand in the process but continued to pin him down.

‘Being stabbed didn’t stop him giving him a beating. Łukasz is a hero’.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 14:27
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In many Muslim countries they have no time for them; these wannabes are simply sentenced to death. Think Bangladesh, etc.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 14:28
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I see i've been beaten to this particular nugget on my first post here


(I'll try harder, I really will)
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 14:34
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Originally Posted by Imagegear View Post
Why is it that we can accommodate the termination of ISIS fighters in a war zone even though individuals may not actually have committed an act of murder, but are simply in company with others who may have. Yet we baulk at terminating people who intend to, or have committed murder against innocent civilians in pursuit of some sort of Nirvana. The UK military have dispatched a considerable number of "Martyrs" on their final journey. I see no difference in the "justification" whether the location is an ISIS stronghold in Syria or an ISIS "stronghold in Birmingham.

"Quantity" brings a whole new dimension to warfare.

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Maybe I missed it, maybe we all did, but, thus far I haven't seen any complaints about the individual involved being killed.....terminated sounds like something from a film script really.

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Old 30th Nov 2019, 14:54
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I also recognise that killed means killed, however, I was speaking from the context of the fact that having been identified, charged and sentenced for serious terrorist offences. The system then automatically released him. from prison on day-release after which he committed the murders that apparently everyone was aware he intended to do.

I know the difference between "the intention to commit murder" and murder proper in it's foulest manifestation.. When the intention is clearly there and the system permits the "early termination" of said individuals under law, I see no reason for their continued existence in a civilised society. After all the military forces perform the function "under law" frequently, It might even be considered more "humane" under controlled conditions.

BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY

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Old 30th Nov 2019, 14:56
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Originally Posted by Tashengurt View Post
Suggesting an absurd outcome isn't irony.
Having your murderous knife attack halted by a murderous knife attacker probably is though.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 15:11
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The bizarre thing with this murderer was that he had been convicted of a terrorist offence, had his sentence reduced, and when automatically released on licence he was fitted with a GPS tracker, and only permitted to stay in an approved location in Stafford. Somehow, a man still serving a sentence (being on licence is still serving a sentence), who was supposedly being tracked and his movements under strict control, managed to arm himself with at least one large knife, make a replica bomb vest, travel to London, attend an event for offenders (where, I would have assumed there would have been some rudimentary ID checks and security) and then go on a killing spree.

Yet, we are told, this attack was "unexpected". I accept that the police and security services are under-funded and under-resourced, but WTF is the point of fitting a man, known to be an Islamic extremist, with a GPS tag, putting geographic restrictions on where he can go, and then letting him travel, without any checks, to an event in London, right next to a location where a similar terrorist attack has taken place?

My guess is that the GPS tags may be just for show, and that whatever contractor running them probably doesn't give a shit about doing their job properly, as long as they carry on getting paid. Two people are now dead, and more seriously injured, partly because the system that was supposed to control the movements of an offender released under licence seems to have completely failed.
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