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Old 29th Nov 2019, 21:27
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Cue praise from Corbyn for the bravery of the emergency services. Hear hear -except this might have worked out very differently if him and McDonnell had got their way in getting rid of armed police.
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Old 29th Nov 2019, 21:34
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Cue praise from Corbyn for the bravery of the emergency services. Hear hear -except this might have worked out very differently if him and McDonnell had got their way in getting rid of armed police.
Another one from the Boris Johnson ĎMake up factsí handbook. Remind me which party has overseen a reduction in the England and Wales police numbers of 14% since 2010....
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Old 29th Nov 2019, 21:45
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Except itís not a made-up fact. Not that that stopped McDonnell denying it -until confronted with a photo of himself with the offending letter. Similar sequence of events, in fact to the denials about terrorist wreath-laying.
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Old 29th Nov 2019, 22:54
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You know ShotOne, this was a terrorist attack in which some people were killed and a hand full of incredibly brave people probably stopped the situation being much worse. But you want to use the event, together with Nutloose and charlieone to make a political point. It is cheap, low and inappropriate. Why not give it a rest?
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Old 29th Nov 2019, 23:13
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Ordinarily Iíd agree with those sentiments 100% but have been goaded by Corbynís two-faced words today. How dare he try to make political capital by praising police today when throughout his career he has done nothing but revile and criticise them. Cheap, low and inappropriate? Yes.
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Old 29th Nov 2019, 23:51
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the bloke who appeared to be helping out and running back should probably have dropped the perps knife,, unless he wanted to be shot himself
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Old 29th Nov 2019, 23:54
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Originally Posted by Torquetalk View Post
You know ShotOne, this was a terrorist attack in which some people were killed and a hand full of incredibly brave people probably stopped the situation being much worse. But you want to use the event, together with Nutloose and charlieone to make a political point. It is cheap, low and inappropriate. Why not give it a rest?
Absolutely agree Torquetalk, this is not a time to make unnecessary political comments.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 00:03
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Ordinarily Iíd agree with those sentiments 100% but have been goaded by Corbynís two-faced words today. How dare he try to make political capital by praising police today when throughout his career he has done nothing but revile and criticise them. Cheap, low and inappropriate? Yes.
Corbyn May have used words that you disagree with and potentially find disposable but again it was the conservatives that have actually done the action of reducing police numbers by 20000 since 2010. Remind me again which one is worse words or deeds??
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 00:04
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Let's just take a step back and have a look at this:

1) The conference which the man is alleged to have attended was held at Fishmongers' Hall: Fishmongers' Hall contains, amongst other things, the dagger with which Lord Walworth is alleged to have killed Wat Tyler in 1381and the 1955 portrait of Queen Elizabeth II by Piero Annigoni. On that basis alone, one could assume that security would be reasonably tight.
2) The subject of the conference was prisoner rehabilitation. The alleged perpetrator was tagged.
https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/new...guest-17341730
3) You cannot get into a football match these days with so much as a potato peeler, which is as it should be. So how the hell does someone get into a building so close to London Bridge where a similar atrocity has already taken place, wearing a tag and carrying a couple of machetes?
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 00:19
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Originally Posted by Tashengurt View Post
I thought much the same. Well deserved too.
My thoughts too, absolutely.

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Old 30th Nov 2019, 02:22
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Originally Posted by SARF View Post
the bloke who appeared to be helping out and running back should probably have dropped the perps knife,, unless he wanted to be shot himself
That was my first thought. Perhaps he thought he was doing the right thing but if he'd been spotted by the tactical crew, engagement would have been justified.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 03:01
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Hope the folks on the parole board are all ok and can sleep soundly tonight after releasing a convicted terrorist on license only to see him kill and injure like a crazed madman..
I'm sure he was a model prisoner and expressed deep remorse and heart felt contrition for his prior offence(s).
Do not release terrorists early - is a good mantra. Repeat it as often as necessary to get it well into your heads.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 05:16
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Hope the folks on the parole board are all ok and can sleep soundly tonight after releasing a convicted terrorist on license only to see him kill and injure like a crazed madman..
I'm sure he was a model prisoner and expressed deep remorse and heart felt contrition for his prior offence(s).
Do not release terrorists early - is a good mantra. Repeat it as often as necessary to get it well into your heads.
Why blame the parole board? They will only act as per the policy laid down for them. The questions we should be asking are (1) how do we prevent people like this from getting into the country in the first place and (2) why wasnt he deported and any right to remain revoked at the end of his sentence?

Its time to stop pussy footing around these issues and take decisive action.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 05:30
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They will only act as per the policy laid down for them
Like - - - - - Robots?
No human skills other than reading and speaking required to hold the job?
No critical thinking?
No standing for principles?
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 05:33
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post

Like - - - - - Robots?
No human skills other than reading and speaking required to hold the job?
No critical thinking?
No standing for principles?
Doubt it, just public servants doing their duty in what they believe is a fair and transparent manner. Critical thinking and principles dont really figure in the equation I suspect.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 06:36
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
Why blame the parole board? They will only act as per the policy laid down for them. The questions we should be asking are (1) how do we prevent people like this from getting into the country in the first place and (2) why wasnt he deported and any right to remain revoked at the end of his sentence?

Its time to stop pussy footing around these issues and take decisive action.
Just one small problem here.....he was British. Unless by deportation you mean putting him on a train at Euston for Stoke-on-Trent that is ?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...stock-exchange
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 07:08
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Perhaps, rather than blaming the parole board, someone ought to take a look at Lord Leveson. He was the appeal judge who varied Khan's sentence, which was an indeterminate one originally. If Leveson had not changed the original sentence, Khan would have still been in prison until next year, at the earliest. I think the idea of the indeterminate sentence for public protection has some merit.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 08:36
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Rather closer to this yesterday than I would have liked. After a walk ending up near Woolwich caught the tube back to Waterloo. Jubilee line train stopped at London Bridge shortly after 2pm, doors didn't open and driver came on to say he had just been told London Bridge station was closed but knew no more. Sitting in the pub opposite Waterloo eating lunch loads of blue light vehicles sped past. A little later we found what it was about on the pub TV. A nasty business.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 08:38
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Some fascinating facts coming out now such as the bloke who took a Narwahl tusk from the wall of the Fishmongers hall to confront him and the people, including the one seen running with the knife, who weren't just caught up in this but actively ran into danger.
Much being made by some of the fact the perpetrator was tagged. These tags merely show when the wearer has strayed a set distance from the base unit normally set up in their home.
Their purpose is to enforce home curfews, they are not trackers.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 08:40
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Hope the folks on the parole board are all ok and can sleep soundly tonight after releasing a convicted terrorist on license only to see him kill and injure like a crazed madman..
I'm sure he was a model prisoner and expressed deep remorse and heart felt contrition for his prior offence(s).
Do not release terrorists early - is a good mantra. Repeat it as often as necessary to get it well into your heads.
I'm not sure it's fair to be pointing fingers at the parole board, it looks to be more a fundamental problem with the sentencing itself... and the warnings were already out there...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...to-uk-security
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