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Old 25th Nov 2019, 17:10
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Wiggy,
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And if a girl has not worked out by 17 that she should be careful around young men, then she bears a responsibility for mis-adventure.
You know, I'm really really not quite sure how to respond to that....
Surely he should have said:

An innocent girl of 17 should bear no responsibility around young men.

There can be no presumption of experience.
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 17:46
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Would it be an appropriate quid pro quo if HRH traveled to the USA for questioning and simultaneously the wife of the intelligence officer who collided with a young motorcyclist in Northamptonshire came to the UK to be interviewed ?

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Old 25th Nov 2019, 18:16
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Originally Posted by Nigerian Expat Outlaw View Post
Would it be an appropriate quid pro quo if HRH traveled to the USA for questioning and simultaneously the wife of the intelligence officer who collided with a young motorcyclist in Northamptonshire came to the UK to be interviewed ?

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An excellent suggestion. Preferably with no preconditions that we get HRH back afterwards,
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 16:08
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I note that an American lawyer representing some of the women involved is stating she will issue a subpoena to get the prince to come to the US to be interviewed by the FBI - Does this woman think that US legal procedures somehow apply in the UK? Another example of US ignorance and arrogance.
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We could do a deal. They send us that woman wanted for killing the motorcyclist by driving on the wrong side of the road, and we send them Randy Andy. No need to send him back either.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 19:23
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Originally Posted by Nigerian Expat Outlaw
Would it be an appropriate quid pro quo if HRH traveled to the USA for questioning and simultaneously the wife of the intelligence officer who collided with a young motorcyclist in Northamptonshire came to the UK to be interviewed ?

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To which Torquetalk responed :

An excellent suggestion. Preferably with no preconditions that we get HRH back afterwards,
and then 2 days later......

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We could do a deal. They send us that woman wanted for killing the motorcyclist by driving on the wrong side of the road, and we send them Randy Andy. No need to send him back either.
I think I just heard an echo.

Echo.

Echo.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 20:22
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Originally Posted by bcgallacher View Post
... Another example of US ignorance and arrogance.
Forgive yet another example of US ignorance and arrogance. Many of us feel that the notion of "royal duties" is pretty silly. Well paid, but silly...
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 20:35
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Originally Posted by bcgallacher View Post
I note that an American lawyer representing some of the women involved is stating she will issue a subpoena to get the prince to come to the US to be interviewed by the FBI - Does this woman think that US legal procedures somehow apply in the UK? Another example of US ignorance and arrogance.
Presumably not this woman, then ?

"The lawyer for some of Jeffrey Epstein's alleged victims has raised the possibility of questioning the Duke of York under oath. Lawyer Lisa Bloom said it would be hard to subpoena someone such as Prince Andrew, but that she takes his word when he says he is going to co-operate."
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 21:14
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I agree that this is an example of the United States having the view that if they want someone to come to their country, then that person should hop on
the first available aircraft, and hand themselves in to the local constabulary. However, if the British want a US citizen to appear in one of our courts then an impenetrable wall is erected, a good example being of the US pilots who destroyed a British armoured vehicle. The US refused to extradite them to Britain.
American arrogance knows no bounds.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 22:35
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Originally Posted by bcgallacher View Post
I note that an American lawyer representing some of the women involved is stating she will issue a subpoena to get the prince to come to the US to be interviewed by the FBI - Does this woman think that US legal procedures somehow apply in the UK? Another example of US ignorance and arrogance.
Once subpoena'd if he does not go it would preclude him going to the US anytime?

Apparently it must be served in person which means that whoever is to serve it must get access to HRH.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 23:38
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I do find it rather interesting that given a dispute involving an influential older male versus a naive young woman, many of you here are automatically going to defend the alleged perpetrator rather than the alleged victim.

None of which has anything at all to do with "American arrogance".
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 03:06
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I do find it rather interesting that given a dispute involving an influential older male versus a naive young woman, many of you here are automatically going to defend the alleged perpetrator rather than the alleged victim.

None of which has anything at all to do with "American arrogance".
Absolutely! Seems that a little victim blaming is de rigeur for some!

As for the quid pro quo, whether you agree with it or not, wasn’t the American diplomats wife protected by diplomatic immunity?

The fact that the cousins refuse to allow members of their military to be prosecuted by foreign governments, is something that might be admired ,were our own gutless politicians to assert the same!
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 07:37
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Absolutely! Seems that a little victim blaming is de rigeur for some!

As for the quid pro quo, whether you agree with it or not, wasn’t the American diplomats wife protected by diplomatic immunity?

The fact that the cousins refuse to allow members of their military to be prosecuted by foreign governments, is something that might be admired ,were our own gutless politicians to assert the same!
No doubt a lot a lot of people high up in the German military in 1945 would have agreed with that principle. But the dissolution of a state which had lost its moral compass fixed that.

With respect to gutless UK politicians. how many cases are there of the UK government agreeing to the extradition of British service personnel or diplomats, or their spouses. for trial by a foreign state?
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 08:40
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
I do find it rather interesting that given a dispute involving an influential older male versus a naive young woman, many of you here are automatically going to defend the alleged perpetrator rather than the alleged victim..
Not quite, of the older male I think he falls into the group of "what did the gorgeous 22 year old are in the septuagenarian billionaire"

Of thus particular victim I am inclined to believe her honesty having seen a video of her dated November 18 being either this month or last year, can't find it now. Without going into details, she was very open in her involvement, how she left Epstein and how she basically disappeared in 2007. Only after she was contacted by the FBI and later visited by the Australian Federal Police.

Without doubt she was a victim of Maxwell and Epstein. That she was exploited was true. Whether the alleged sex with the Prince was illegal depends on where it took place; London and New York would appear to be legal. Whether she was coerced at this point I don't know but I refer to my first point.

What is the target now? Is it a civil case to get money or a Federal one to get Maxwell? Is Andrew a target or collateral damage?
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 09:06
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"Times" has off the record briefing that HRH should give up his military charities etc as well

Can't see him being very welcome at the Cenotaph next year (assuming he's not still helping the FBI with their enquiries")>

He needs to disappear for 3-5 years before trying to rehabilitate himself IMHO
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 09:08
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My guess is next Monday nights Panorama with his accuser will provide the finishing body-blow. I predict a Duke of Windsor style exile.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 09:10
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Now that's tough - can I apply as well???
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 10:44
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At the end of the day,all of the accusations of sexual misconduct are a matter of "he said - she said" and ulimately unproveable in any court. What seems to be incontrovertible though is what a complete tosser the man is, and what a total disaster his role as roving ambassador for British trade and industry has been. He has cost the taxpayer a fortune in unnecessary travel costs, refusing to use any form of public transport within the uk while his older sister, The Princess Royal quietly gets about her public duties, often using the train where possible. His overseas trips seem to coincide with major sporting events, such as the grand prix, golf tournaments, etc, and his diplomatic skills seem to be pretty poor - saying to the head of a major fashion house at a function "Never heard of you" sums his arrogance up. A life wasted, in complete contrast to that of his mother.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 11:17
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The Princess Royal quietly gets about her public duties, often using the train where possible.
Didn't know about the train, but she does seem to be the outstanding member of her generation, and possibly the most intelligent.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 13:29
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I'm pretty naive when it comes to the fair sex, but how do you get to bed a girl against her wishes, aside from rape? Remember the tale of a young lass when the Beatles were in town and she was bedded by one of the mop heads. The question was asked "what would your mother think?" to which she replied "mum was in the bed next to me with Beatle #X".
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