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Old 21st Nov 2019, 11:25
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I wonder if those persistent rumours about 'one's breeding' ;-) will resurface again. Apparently they were never challenged before.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 13:07
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
He directly gets his RN pension as a retired commander, plus 250k from the Queen. However, he, like many of the Royal family, has personal protection officers, paid for from the public purse, as well as incurring significant travel costs from the public purse (he wasn't known as "air miles Andy" for nothing).

I suspect there are probably costs associated with publicly owned properties that he has the use of, in addition to the properties he owns himself. Quite how his net worth is so high, given his income, seems a matter of some speculation. No doubt some of this has come from investments, and it seems quite likely that his association with people like Epstein played a part in his income from those.
Don't forget he was the UK Trade Envoy for the nickname of Air miles Andy. Whilst he was not paid for this job, the public did pick up his travel expenses. Which were considerably.
He also sold his Sunningdale property for 15m, which was only valued at 3m.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 13:49
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Hmm, didn't know he had any royal duties. No loss.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 14:32
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Gosh - how the vultures here move in! Nothing is proven.

One wonders would their appetites be so voracious were he ex RAF rather than RN?
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 14:52
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 15:01
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Originally Posted by Auxtank View Post
Gosh - how the vultures here move in! Nothing is proven.

One wonders would their appetites be so voracious were he ex RAF rather than RN?
As he hasn‘t been charged with anything, let alone tried, how would it be? It is, however, well established that he maintained a friendship with a convicted sex offender (staying at his house); that the offenses involved under-age girls; and that he does not regret that friendship.

Now he is is public focus, it also seems he has used his position as a royal to enrich himself. This is also a departure from the expectations which the public have of the Royals.

What on earth a perceived RAF or RN bias plays here is hard to follow. As is calling posters vultures. There are probably plenty of pro-royal posters, but few fans of PA. Especially now.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 15:04
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Compare this to what happened to Assange.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 15:04
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Originally Posted by Auxtank View Post
Gosh - how the vultures here move in! Nothing is proven.
Would you have said the same about Weinstein when it all started emerging in the media?
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 15:41
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I understand that even though he has not actually been accused of any criminal offence (but some pretty questionable behaviour) he has now indicated that he is willing to go to the USA to help with the enquiry into the activities of Jeffrey Epstein.
My understanding is that he certainly has been accused of sex offences by at least one victim, but that because the statute of limitations has expired no prosecution can proceed. The victim is therefore kicking up a stink and challenging him to sue her for libel or concede the truth of her accusations. If he sues, he must then go to court, testify, and be cross examined, which as close as she will ever get to having her day in court.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 15:51
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TTN said: he has now indicated that he is willing to go to the USA to help with the enquiry into the activities of Jeffrey Epstein.

I don't think he went that far, I understood he said he would cooperate with the authorities as required. The question is, who decides what is required?

As for the seventeen year old, if she went with him willingly then no offence was committed as she is over the age of consent. If the accusation is she was trafficked, why did she not say anything to the various security, customs, immigration officers while transiting the airports?

I only met Prince Andrew once, didn't like him.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 16:32
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As for the seventeen year old, if she went with him willingly then no offence was committed as she is over the age of consent. If the accusation is she was trafficked, why did she not say anything to the various security, customs, immigration officers while transiting the airports?
I believe that the alleged offence took place in the US, so the age of consent may have been 18, rather than 16, perhaps.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 16:46
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
I believe that the alleged offence took place in the US, so the age of consent may have been 18, rather than 16, perhaps.
it depends on which State intercourse took place. In NY I is 17. In Florida it is 18, but if it was on Epsteins private island, who knows. The US VI consent is 13 for a sum of ages below a certain figure, in this case consent would be 18.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages..._United_States

she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew between 2001 - when she was 17 - and 2002, in London, New York and Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands.
Note the 'when she was 17' specifically in London in 2001, and New York a month later when she may well have been 17. How old was she in 2002 in US VI?
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 17:03
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 17:04
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Originally Posted by k3k3 View Post
TTN said: he has now indicated that he is willing to go to the USA to help with the enquiry into the activities of Jeffrey Epstein.

I don't think he went that far, I understood he said he would cooperate with the authorities as required. The question is, who decides what is required?

As for the seventeen year old, if she went with him willingly then no offence was committed as she is over the age of consent. If the accusation is she was trafficked, why did she not say anything to the various security, customs, immigration officers while transiting the airports?

I only met Prince Andrew once, didn't like him.
Gosh, that's a difficult one !..I wonder what could have possibly been the reason........

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Old 21st Nov 2019, 17:53
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Either he ignored advice to keep his mouth firmly shut, or his advisor(s) were complete idiots, or secretly wanted him to self immolate on TV
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 18:44
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If he is now persona non grata at Bucc House, one hears that the Ecuadorian Embassy may have a spare bed.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 19:32
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The Grounded Old Duke of York.
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 11:03
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Age of consent ? Just been playing my fave Neil Sedaka album where he suggests that in "Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen" because "Tonight's the night" that he is / was contemplating a serious sexual offence ! Lost my virginity at age 15 at the hands of a raucus sixth former (she was 17) in the girl's locker room at the Xmas party !. Might try for the historic sexual abuse route.......................nah................quite liked it.
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 11:28
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Lost my virginity at age 15 at the hands of a raucus sixth former (she was 17) in the girl's locker room at the Xmas party
Tut, nobody like a show off slowjet Aged 15 I was still filling in train numbers in my Ian Allen locospotters book, although I may have had my first snog!
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 16:21
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Back then (doesn't seem that long ago) it was the norm to be married between 18 and 24 yrs old, so to be active sexually at 16 wasn't seen as underage. These days most are getting married at 30-40 (if at all) and consequently society has changed it's view on when unions of passion should start.
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