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Old 25th Nov 2019, 04:47
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I'm coming round to the idea that a hung parliament might be a satisfactory way out.
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 07:57
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 14:58
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I'm not enamoured with any of the four candidates on the voting paper available to me this time round.

However, I have a cunning plan...
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 17:05
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Complete failure on my part to be aroused to vote for either party represented by those two frauds.
Mrs C and I have totally lost confidence in the electoral system which allows a small number of MPs to delay and attempt to overturn the democratic decision of the voters to leave the EU and we will never be voting again in any elections or referendums.
Merely writing 'Abstain' on our ballot papers would lead to those papers being called 'spoiled papers' when in actual fact if as SHJ says there was a 'no vote' option it would surely show polititcians what people think of their shenanigans so we will simply use our democratic right not to vote thereby saving the petrol we would use in travelling to our 'local' polling station some miles away even though we have suggested to the local authority there are suitable polling station venues which are closer.
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 18:45
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Nicola Sturgeon is to be subjected to the Andrew Neil treatment on BBC1 at 19:30 today.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 13:09
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the democratic decision of the voters to leave the EU
Oh dear, here we go again.

When will Leavers realise that although the very undemocratic referendum recorded a technical victory for Leave, the unavoidable fact was that 63% of the electorate either voted to remain or did not vote at all. In other words Leave voters were in a minority. I know, I know, that's the rub of the green, that's democracy in action (really?!), blah blah, but the numerical facts speak for themselves.

Now, over 3 painful years later, that 63% will have grown simply because 3 miilion or more young voters (predominantly Remainers) have come on to the electoral roll, and a large number of wrinklies (predominantly Leavers) have fallen off their perches and are reaping their rewards in Heaven/Valhalla/Wherever.

The root cause of the problems the Government has had with Brexit since June 2016 is that well over half the population - the silent majority - are certainly opposed to a no-deal Brexit, and probably against any kind of Brexit. Let us pray that this majority will not be silent on December 12th.

Simply shouting to that majority that the referendum vote was final, get over it, while not making any attempt whatsoever to show willingness to compromise so as to bring the 63% on side for Brexit, was and remains a very stupid way to go about uniting the country.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 14:00
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When will Leavers realise that although the very undemocratic referendum recorded a technical victory for Leave, the unavoidable fact was that 63% of the electorate either voted to remain or did not vote at all. In other words Leave voters were in a minority.
When will Remainers realise that the unavoidable fact was that 65% of the electorate either voted to leave or did not vote at all. In other words Remain voters were in a minority.

Fixed that for you.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 14:03
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Originally Posted by old,not bold View Post
Oh dear, here we go again.

When will Leavers realise that although the very undemocratic referendum recorded a technical victory for Leave, the unavoidable fact was that 63% of the electorate either voted to remain or did not vote at all. In other words Leave voters were in a minority. I know, I know, that's the rub of the green, that's democracy in action (really?!), blah blah, but the numerical facts speak for themselves.

Now, over 3 painful years later, that 63% will have grown simply because 3 miilion or more young voters (predominantly Remainers) have come on to the electoral roll, and a large number of wrinklies (predominantly Leavers) have fallen off their perches and are reaping their rewards in Heaven/Valhalla/Wherever.

The root cause of the problems the Government has had with Brexit since June 2016 is that well over half the population - the silent majority - are certainly opposed to a no-deal Brexit, and probably against any kind of Brexit. Let us pray that this majority will not be silent on December 12th.

Simply shouting to that majority that the referendum vote was final, get over it, while not making any attempt whatsoever to show willingness to compromise so as to bring the 63% on side for Brexit, was and remains a very stupid way to go about uniting the country.
So why is the UK still in the EU? Clearly God wants us to remain.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 14:20
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And when will the electorate realise that many of those working and living in the EU - but paying UK tax and contributing to the UK economy - were disenfranchised so had no right to vote.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 23:28
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When will Remainers realise that the unavoidable fact was that 65% of the electorate either voted to leave or did not vote at all. In other words Remain voters were in a minority.
I suppose, if nothing else, that little gem provides proof, if proof were needed, that Leavers have absolutely NO grasp of logical thought!
Let's examine what can be taken from Oxenos's posit ... a large group of people, politically highly motivated toward a course of action which has been denied to them for more than a generation, are, suddenly, given the ONE AND ONLY chance to have their dearest wish voted on and, possibly, acted on, would forgo that opportunity ... for reasons unspecified and quite beyond the bounds of reason!!! Really?? Not just one or two giving up their heart's desire, but,even if we only look for a simple 50% + 1 majority, that would mean that nearly 7, YES SEVEN million potential Leave voters would have thrown away this once in a lifetime chance! Undoubtedly, anything is possible but from my simpleton's viewpoint it appears as likely as ... well, pick your own idiom (yes, that's an 'M' not a 'T'!)
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 12:52
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Originally Posted by oxenos View Post
When will Remainers realise that the unavoidable fact was that 65% of the electorate either voted to leave or did not vote at all. In other words Remain voters were in a minority.

Fixed that for you.
Ah yes, the same riposte as last time I mentioned that. The fatal flaw in your thinking is that the reality is that neither Leavers nor Remainers can claim a majority. And that is precisely why the referendum was not a democratic exercise, and why the voting result should NEVER have been regarded as "The Will Of The People" which it clearly wasn't. It is a fair assumption now that the majority (ie 50.01% or more of the whole electorate) would vote to remain, simply because the demographics have altered.

There's no benefit from arguing about this; the election result will be a good guide as to what people really think. The only problem I have with that is that those who might have voted Labour to get another referendum may not do so because of Labour's utterly absurd promises about what they'll spend, and the fact that if they do get in and spend that much every single taxpayer, rich and poor, will pay a huge price in the next 5 years.

Support for the Conservatives is not necessarily a vote for leaving the EU in January; it can equally be a vote - while holding the nose - to avoid another period of Labour's Marxist-driven economic idiocy, even if we have to leave the EU to do that. In short, it's choosing the lesser of two evils, and selecting a Government on that basis rarely has a good outcome.

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