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Old 30th Oct 2019, 07:00
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The Haka

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Am I the only person who finds the Haka unnecessary in sporting competitions ? I remember some years back Ireland walking towards NZ arms linked as the Haka was being enacted and there was a furious response, France also did similar. The Haka (or similar by anyone) is designed to 'fire up' the warriors for battle and, to my mind, gives an unfair psychological advantage, where the opposition have none in normal circumstances. I wonder how people would react if the English had marched with pipes and drums 'into battle' as happened in the distant past ? Level playing field please!
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 07:18
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I am an Aussie, not a Kiwi and reckon the Haka is fantastic. The ABs are not the amazingly resilient force in world Rugby because they get an advantage from the Haka. The Haka is a reflection of the discipline, team culture and pride of the ABs and that is what makes them a great team.

All that said, there is nothing I like more than seeing the Wallabies beat the Kiwis.

Sadly... it has not been a very common occurrence in the last (no so little) while. I have no problems with the Haka and it would be a sad loss to Rugby culture to lose it. My 2c.

If you want your players to play pipes and drums (or do Maypole dancing or whatever) before kick off, go for it I say. But don't take the Haka out of the game.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 07:30
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Fair point, it is a spectacle and it does provide something extra to the overall 'show' of an International game, but i'd wager that the reason the New Zealand team does so well has more to do with the uptake of the game in that country compared to all the other sports available. No other country indulges Rugby with such fervour as the Kiwis. Perhaps as you say each country should 'do their thing' before each game, but the most practical would be for all to stand proud as their country's national anthem played and then get the game started. I would be of my opinion if it were another big nation doing this, so it's not anti-country in nature.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 07:50
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
Perhaps as you say each country should 'do their thing' before each game,..
The Haka is wonderful to watch. Couldn't the English team respond by giving a riveting display of Ecky-Thump?
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
...I wonder how people would react if the English had marched with pipes and drums 'into battle' as happened in the distant past ?...
Would that be the Northumbrian pipes?
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The Haka is wonderful to watch. Couldn't the English team respond by giving a riveting display of Ecky-Thump?
Morris Dancing. That should be the English response. The Welsh could do some close harmony formation singing and the Scots... well, probably best they don't whip out their broadswords...
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I don't see anything wrong with the Haka. What would be wrong if the offenderati complained about our side lining up in a V formation, that being the English Victory symbol.
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The Haka? Synchronised dancing and arm thumping. Although I see the sport's official line is that it is a cultural challenge. If the Haka is intended as a "wind-up", then perhaps England should have responded with a display of synchronised camp wrist drooping and calls of "Ooh. Get him." A la Monty Python:
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 09:35
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I don't see anything wrong with the Haka. What would be wrong if the offenderati complained about our side lining up in a V formation, that being the English Victory symbol.
They have, and it's resulted in a fine!

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Originally Posted by UniFoxOs View Post
I don't see anything wrong with the Haka. What would be wrong if the offenderati complained about our side lining up in a V formation, that being the English Victory symbol.
Apparently Aaron Smith has moaned that Owen Farrell winked at him. Goodness, what a big, brave Warrior he must be!

You wouldn't want anyone to think you're just a pathetic whingey snowflake on the rugby pitch, would you?
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They have, and it's resulted in a fine!

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Not quite right, the fine was for crossing the half way line during the haka, not the v shape
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It's OK with the AB Coach...

AB Coach Steve Hansen quote
'I thought the response was brilliant. If you understand the haka, it requires a response. It's a challenge to you personally and it requires you to have a response. I thought it was brilliant, quite imaginative too.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...ands-haka.html
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I don't see anything wrong with the Haka. What would be wrong if the offenderati complained about our side lining up in a V formation, that being the English Victory symbol.
They have, and it's resulted in a fine!

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I don't think so. They were fined for crossing the half-way line not for the 'V'
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
They have, and it's resulted in a fine!

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The fine was for encroaching into the NZ half, nothing to do with the V shape.
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Th English response should have been to drop their shorts to emulate the Mel Gibson-led Scottish soldiers lifting their kilts, to wave their bare backsides at the opposition in the 1995 film "Braveheart".
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The Japanese would do a kata against the haka. There are some pretty non peaceful ones in karate and kendo ones do look fierce. 😎
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 22:30
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Am biased (a kiwi).
Every world cup there's a complaint about the haka.
I think the only reason there are complaints is because the complainers are either envious or don't like the psychological advantage it gives the All Blacks.
That doesn't always help - the other night being a case in point - and all props to England who played their @rses off.
But the haka is spectacular and intimidating - bloody love it and long may it continue.
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The appropriate response is surely for the opposing side to face away from the spectacle, drop their dacks and stage a mass moon in retaliation. Synchronized breaking of wind may be going a bit far, but them again ...
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