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Old 13th Oct 2019, 20:25
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Retro Audio

Burn your own vinyl........

https://www.factmag.com/2019/10/12/t...cords-at-home/
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Old 13th Oct 2019, 21:56
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Old 13th Oct 2019, 22:37
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Nothing grates more than someone who says "I myself"..........except a Phonocut, of course.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 02:58
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...h-riaa-880959/

Looks like CDs are dying off... I still play records and recently I have bought a few newer ones but the sound was pretty poor compared to the older ones. Anyone else experience this?

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Old 14th Oct 2019, 04:44
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Originally Posted by Anilv View Post
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...h-riaa-880959/

Looks like CDs are dying off... I still play records and recently I have bought a few newer ones but the sound was pretty poor compared to the older ones. Anyone else experience this?

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Old 14th Oct 2019, 04:57
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Nothing grates more than someone who says "I myself"..........except a Phonocut, of course.
Yea. Where did this strange idea that it is somehow more polite to say myself and yourself come from? It's as if people are afraid to say YOU.

It sounds horribly slimy to my ears. But then, maybe I am strange, myself, what about your good selves?
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 07:04
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I know a lot of people who write "myself" or "yourself" when "I/me" or "you" is perfect. Not sure I'd ever use it...

I bought a CD player about 30 years ago and ditched my record deck and LPs a couple of years later. Now the CDs are boxed in the loft, everything is MP3 format and the rest of my hifi separates went into small electrical at the dump - the amp had blown and the tapedeck chewed tapes, only the tuner still worked as far as I know. DVDs have gone on to an HDD as well, more room on the shelves for my books!
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 07:05
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I said to myself, "Self! Anybody who thinks a crackly poppy hissy piece of well-used vinyl gives a better sound than a CD needs self-immolation."
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 07:11
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
What is your age?
I'm 50. I used to listen to vinyl (and tapes) up to my early teens (early 80s) then switched to CD. I didn't catch the online music craze as the music didn't not suit me. Eventually my music listening was limited to what was playing on my car radio.

About two years back my friend gave me an old Garrard 301 which just needed a new stylus... I dug out my old records and realised that the reason I drifted away from music was that music on CDs and digital media sounded so different from vinyl. Strong vocals (eg Shirley Bassey, Cher) and horns sound a lot better on vinyl.

A lot of people say they cant stand the crackle and pop of vinyl but a clean record wont have such noises, its the dirt inside the grooves which makes the noise.

Only downside is there is physical contact between needle and record which will eventually wear the record out.. you can minimise this by ensuring the balance of the tonearm is correct but eventually the record will wear out.

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Old 14th Oct 2019, 07:33
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Is it just me (myself?), or is repairing a lathe NOT just a normal everyday part of being a (proper) engineer?
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 07:34
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Nothing grates more than someone who says "I myself"..........except a Phonocut, of course.
As he's a non-native English speaker (German, I think), I'd be inclined to cut him a bit of slack.

It's his word order that's a bit wonky - he would have been better saying "Even I should be in a position to cut the records myself" instead of "I myself ..." (though the former still sounds a tad Germanic).

He's actually quite an amusing speaker:

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Old 14th Oct 2019, 08:22
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I myself is just a clunky translation of ich selbst.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 08:30
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What most people haven't noticed is that the digital compression of MP3 and the like are not kind to music. There is a tremendous amount of information in music, and digital compression loses some of that. When they do notice, they blame the Analog to Digital conversion - which for the most part is wrong. An example of the amount of information in music is that a single sided CD can contain roughly one hour of music. It can also contain the detailed road map information for every road in North America
Yes, A to D (and back to A) loses a little, but digital compression loses a LOT! Vinyl sounds better than a CD, but the difference is subtle and unless you're a serious audiophile you'll never notice. But compared to the digitally compressed formats both CD and vinyl sound fantastic.
One thing that hurt CDs was that cheaper CD players use a single D to A converter (constantly switching back and forth between channels) which really messes up the phase relationship of the music. Good CD players use two converters and don't have that problem.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 08:44
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I bought a CD player about 30 years ago and ditched my record deck and LPs a couple of years later. Now the CDs are boxed in the loft, everything is MP3 format and the rest of my hifi separates went into small electrical at the dump - the amp had blown and the tapedeck chewed tapes, only the tuner still worked as far as I know. DVDs have gone on to an HDD as well, more room on the shelves for my books!
Surely all your books are now on a tiny Kindle or similar ? ;-)

There's no doubt that from a space/ease of use POV, electronic is the way to go, but in doing so we lose so much of the simple pleasure involved in the process of doing, such as reading and admiring the album cover, the careful placing of the record on the deck, the positioning of the stylus etc etc. If you identify as an audiophile, then mp3 and other variations are a poor substitute , but for the majority it suffices and that's what moves the market sadly.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 09:21
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I used to spend a fortune on HiFi, when I eventually got rid of it I had about &20K worth.

Why? Many, many years of listening to HF radios and the like. Frankly I can’t tell the difference between a 1K system and a 20K system any more.

Got rid of all m y LPs and switched to CDs which I copy into Apple Losssless and then store away in case I have to do it again. Just have a good quality 5 speaker Hime Cinema system which plays it back respectably, a SONOS system and a good pair of headphones to use with my iPhone and iPad.
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Is it just me (myself?), or is repairing a lathe NOT just a normal everyday part of being a (proper) engineer?
They are referring specifically to a record cutting lathe. Not many about these days.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 12:03
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In our local Aldi at the weekend I noticed that they are selling 12" vinyl. Are they on to something?
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 13:22
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Just have a good quality 5 speaker Home Cinema system which plays it back respectably, a SONOS system and a good pair of headphones to use with my iPhone and iPad.
Get yourself a dedicated headphone amp such as a Graham Slee and you will be blown away. I am toying with the idea of a dedicated DAC on the digital output of my Sonos Connect.
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One thing that hurt CDs was that cheaper CD players use a single D to A converter (constantly switching back and forth between channels) which really messes up the phase relationship of the music. Good CD players use two converters and don't have that problem.
That is not correct. The delay caused by multiplexing a single D-A is a mere 11 microseconds difference between channels. That is the equivalent of moving your head just 4mm away from the 'perfect' listening position. To suggest this is sufficiently audible to have any effect at all would be bold; to blame it for 'hurting CDs' is fanciful in the extreme. To be true, a head clamp to keep your perfect head position would be a prerequisite for perfect listening pleasure. Seriously?

Are you suggesting it is necessary to measure out such a perfect listening 'sweet spot' every time you listen? Would you honestly claim that moving your head just 4mm from the perfect central position "really messes up the phase relationship of the music" ? There are plenty of other (analogue) features in the audio chain which have a far greater cumulative effect on the overall and inter-channel phase of reproduced music.

It was generally the early 16bit D-As with poor linearity (even non-monotonicity) and other digital and analogue audio failings which often let down some of the early CD players. This was typified by Sony's first offering, the very first commercially available player the CDP-101. As it happened, this did use just a single 16bit D-A, however it was the other failings which let it down, rather than the trivial time delay caused by the single D-A multiplexing as you claim. By contrast, the original Philips player, the CD100, used 2x 14bit D-As with 4x oversampling and noise-shaping to very good effect. Many would agree that this sounded considerably superior (even better when re-engineered by Meridian as the MCD), and this was undoubtedly due to the far better linearity of those 2 much simpler and cheaper 14bit D-As rather than any issues over the absence of the 11us inter-channel time difference.

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Old 14th Oct 2019, 17:16
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In our local Aldi at the weekend I noticed that they are selling 12" vinyl. Are they on to something?
Yes they are taking advantage of a 'fashionable' trend.

I am like many others,most of my record collection was replaced by cd's many years ago,music in the car is provided by a couple of mini usb sticks holding hundreds of tracks each
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