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Old 7th Oct 2019, 16:57
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Extinction Rebellion

[ EXTINCTION Rebellion have revealed a two-week plan to bring London to a halt with 30,000 climate change protesters set to show up in the capital's streets.
Looks as though they may do the job for Boris and possibly close down Westminster over the next two weeks?
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Old 7th Oct 2019, 17:22
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It will be rather pleasant if these [email protected] achieve something useful for a change.
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Old 7th Oct 2019, 20:48
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They shouldn't have sold those water canon, those blocking roads should be simply lifted and arrested, they then should be fined a percentage of the lost revenues.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 04:47
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This "inspired wit " from Boris, an oxygen thief in his own right, should induce a few chortles of approval from many on here.......

Unfortunately, such a puerile speech confirms the lack of political will and interest hence, whilst their actions are always going to attract mockery and vindictive criticism, responses such as those from Boris clearly demonstrate the need to induce change before humanity manages to screw the whole planet...... and as many others species as possible into the bargain .....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49967784
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Just what does a government have to say to these forkwits to get them to say "OK, we've achieved our aims, let's go back to enjoying our dole down at the pub."

I suspect there is no ulterior motive, other than to damage things and have a destructive time.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 05:54
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If things continue the way they are, there will be serious consequences for human beings and nothing substantial will change until it starts to really, really hurt more of them.
Governments have so far proven unwilling to act positively in concert with each other, agree on rational steps, or even accept there is a problem and I don't see that changing until there is a lot more pain for everyone. Pain is coming like a steamroller.
Change will have to come from the bottom up - eventually forcing governments (some still won't, even facing bigger disasters of one sort or another) to act collectively on a planetary scale. Artificial political borders are meaningless in this matter. They are no protection.
Might be far too late then.
If a fix is possible, it must start with each individual enacting more good practices themselves and forcing governments and businesses do the same. A critical mass is required for a ground swell.
Little, if anything is going to change until things hurt the lives of more people. Even then, look to the well off, the richer than that and the mega-rich to bunker down, try to insulate themselves, and obstruct.
Revolutions have started for much less cause.
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But blocking the traffic in Sydney or chaining yourself to a road in London isn't going to make the main offenders in the Other Countries even bother to look at it on the news, other than to laugh.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 06:57
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Yup, it's a failure to communicate.
How do you communicate to main offenders (and the lesser) that change is mandatory?
Another universal method of communication is the marketplace. Trade, in all its permutations.
They always feel the pain of losing money and by extension, power. Hate it with a passion. But, again, critical mass.
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
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If a fix is possible, it must start with each individual enacting more good practices themselves ...
And each individual who is blocking streets, causing more congestion and 'emissions' doesn't appear to be an example of good practice!

Any clues why they are not demonstrating in places like Beijing? Surely you don't start your demonstrations in countries that are doing the most and avoid demonstrating in countries that are amongst the highest emitters? Makes it look far more like an easy 'day out' that they can put in Instasham and Farcebook or Twit on Twitter to 'make themselves 'look good' rather than any real conviction of opinions.

How much are those 'protesters' (hypocrites) carrying or wearing that come from countries that are among the highest polluters?
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 07:15
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Extinction rebellion should be protesting in countries such as China India & Brazil, not the 1 st world countries that at least are on the road to reducing emissions.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 07:21
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
And each individual who is blocking streets, causing more congestion and 'emissions' doesn't appear to be an example of good practice!

Any clues why they are not demonstrating in places like Beijing? Surely you don't start your demonstrations in countries that are doing the most and avoid demonstrating in countries that are amongst the highest emitters? Makes it look far more like an easy 'day out' that they can put in Instasham and Farcebook or Twit on Twitter to 'make themselves 'look good' rather than any real conviction of opinions.

How much are those 'protesters' (hypocrites) carrying or wearing that come from countries that are among the highest polluters?
I don't think it takes a genius to work out why demonstrating in Beijing would be a non starter, but to their great credit, at a time when China is a still developing and growing economically at rates we in the west can only dream off, China is very actively engaged in developing renewables, particularly wind and solar and is doing more than paying lip service to climate change. That is a good deal more than the likes of the USA are. In the USA the leadership nationally is doing everything it can to torpedo global attempts at stemming the human contribution to climate change / global warming. You can add Brasil and Australia to that list.

Extinction rebellion are taking action is countries other than the soft touches in Europe - India to name one.

I am fully supportive of the objectives of these extremists, though not of their methods. I do appreciate that my job, from an environmental standpoint is a disaster, but I do what I can (afford) by running a very small, very frugal petrol car which I would gladly replace with electric when I can reliably get 200 miles range between charges and afford one. I don't waste energy heating the house unnecessarily in winter, and certainly won't have air conditioning. I don't buy bottled water - we get perfectly good water from out kitchen taps in UK and Europe, don't buy takeaway food, including coffee.

What needs to change in the media is the way in which some of the claims being put forward by Extinction Rebellion are going almost completely unchallenged in TV and radio interviews. I saw a spokeswoman on TV this morning to spout unchallenged for far too long, making totally unsubstantiated claims. Had she been a politician she would have been interrupted and asked to justify the claims, and with the higher profile that the environment now has, unsubstantiated claims and "fake news" need to be called out my journalists.
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Another arm of the protests is Animal Rebellion, who are blockading Smithfield Market as they would like to get everyone eating vegetables and stop eating meat, fish and dairy products to help save the environment:


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...et-environment
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Another arm of the protests is Animal Rebellion, who are blockading Smithfield Market as they would like to get everyone eating vegetables and stop eating meat, fish and dairy products to help save the environment:


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...et-environment
And that is frankly a non starter. look inside the gob of any human on the planet. We have molars, incisors and canine teeth because we are biologically omnivores, our guts and our requirement for particular vitamins and minerals mean that to be healthy meat has to be part of a balanced diet.

We can and must do more to curb global warming and climate change; rather than daft ideas like that, we need to get a handle of stopping the rise in global human population, even if that ruffles feathers in many global religions.
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IMO to tackle planet wide problems change must come from the top. We need massive changes to our infrastructure, energy sources, demand and waste control. The markets globally need to be the vehicle, governments globally need to provide the legislative frameworks. The whole things needs to be joined up.

No use us changing to electric vehicles if the infrastructure can't cope. There are lots of changes we can make as individuals but the impact and consequences of individual behavioural change needs to be managed on a large scale. As individuals we need to push upwards to government and demand those changes and investment.

ER message is mixed and too negative and just scares the kids who are not in a position to change anything. That's down to the adults.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 08:07
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ER message is mixed and too negative and just scares the kids who are not in a position to change anything. That's down to the adults.
With adults of the calibre of Trump and Bolsanaro at the helm, and big business rather more wedded to profit and global wellbeing perhaps kids might do a better job.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 08:22
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Extinction rebellion should be protesting in countries such as China India & Brazil, not the 1 st world countries that at least are on the road to reducing emissions.
Just leave them in place. They are no danger if chained up. Walk and drive around them until they give up. It is October not July. They seem to think the police will release them in good time. Don't
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 08:25
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Always one easy fix for these muppets, low gear and pedal to the floor!
And of that Greta thing walks away with a Nobel Peace Price come Friday I'm afraid my tourettes will go fully Tourettes!
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 08:29
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China is very actively engaged in developing renewables
I was watching TV recently when solar energy in China came up and there were scenes of solar panel farms the size of some small counties! It was really incredible. The item on the telly was dull, boring and blah but those images of solar panels stretching up hill and down dale were quite vivid.
With adults of the calibre of Trump
Small bone to pick there. Trump? Adult? Don't be daft!
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 08:36
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Snowfella,

​​​​​​"Always one easy fix for these muppets, low gear and pedal to the floor!"

And one easy fix for muppets like you - An arrest for attempted murder or murder. And as you've announced it on here, even premeditated.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 08:46
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Fascinating selection of views expressed. One really must ask, however, of those who find ER's actions distasteful, apart from compressing your buttocks, just what efforts have YOU made to improve the world?
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