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Old 11th Oct 2019, 09:13
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ER and this whole climate emergency thing as with the exploited Greta is not about the environment. It is a socialist agenda using the save the world environmental cover to sign people up. It is why you donít hear them talking about population control or reigning in countries like China. Itís aim is to overthrow the westís capitalist system. Yes the climate zealots are the figureheads and climate is the reason given why the west must change but underneath it is pure socialism.

As for one one of the co founders of ER, Gail Bradbrook. To say she is batshit crazy is a gross understatement.

The 'neo-pagan' said on a recent podcast that she decided to become an activist as a direct result of taking huge doses of two powerful psychedelic drugs.

Ms Bradbrook, who has two sons aged ten and 13, flew to Costa Rica a few years ago to take a dose of ibogaine, a hallucinogenic shrub growing in West Africa.

The mother, who has a PhD in molecular biophysics, also tried ayahuasca, a highly toxic, mind-bending potion made by Amazon jungle shamans.

She said the drugs 'rewired' her brain and gave her 'the codes of social change'. Afterwards, she ended her marriage and began her activism in XR.

Within XR, she holds mystic 'moon circles' with female colleagues inside a tepee, at which they ingest another 'natural' drug, mugwort, used by ancient Celts.


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Old 11th Oct 2019, 09:38
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
ER and this whole climate emergency thing as with the exploited Greta is not about the environment. It is a socialist agenda using the save the world environmental cover to sign people up. It is why you donít hear them talking about population control or reigning in countries like China. Itís aim is to overthrow the westís capitalist system. Yes the climate zealots are the figureheads and climate is the reason given why the west must change but underneath it is pure socialism.

As for one one of the co founders of ER, Gail Bradbrook. To say she is batshit crazy is a gross understatement.



That was also my first impression, which hasn't changed much as they don't return or answer my email questions on how the changes they demand will be achieved without social damage. The Green Deal they present on their website suggests finance will be available for the science required, but I suspect that will be the science they approve of and the profits under the control of a third party financing stream of unknown persuasion. Somebody, as in any movement, will profit from this.
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 12:14
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Young people are feeling increasingly disenfranchised, unheard and unable to influence meaningful change.
Hardly surprising when they ascribe to meaningless contexts like "likes" and "tweets" rather than breaking a sweat by doing something meaningful to add value to their own community. But I guess there is no one around to teach/show them that, so instead they glue themselves to objects to inconvenience as many people as they possibly can in the vain hope they receive more "likes" and "tweets". Morons.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 06:34
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 07:52
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ORAC QUOTE from twitter
Andrew Neil exposes a real problem with Extinction Rebellion here: the misrepresentation of facts by some of their leaders. Please, just stick to the IPCC climate science: it's alarming enough as it is.

Is it?

The IPCC have made claims which are disputed in their own right. Is there actually a Climate Crisis? Is CO2 actually 'bad'? The more I look into it the more I wonder. I thought Al Gore had it right.

Not so sure now. ER or XR as they prefer to be know are part of the hard far left. They are beyond challenge in their own view. Their actions are taking the light off the debate about the validity of the IPCC.

To even challenge if 'Climate Change' is actually going to destroy the human race has seen many scientists lose their jobs. It is as if the flat earth mob have taken over aviation. I am taking two steps back and having another look at all of this (not the flat earth bit).

Could it be that Al Gore and Co have sold us a whole load of BS? I'm not sure yet.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 09:38
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I had reason to be in in central London yesterday and the traffic disruption, especially that of many bus routes was very noticeable. I don't mind walking, but the number of those less able (elderly, physically afflicted, carrying heavy baggage etc) were having a harder time of it. The main protests were centred in Trafalgar Square and this seemed to be populated with protesters having a happy social gathering with various 'circles' talking and playing which they seemed to be enjoying. To a wo/man they were wearing and using products that owe much to the petrochemical industry and, of course, smartphones galore. No doubt some very well meaning individuals there, but I had the impression that it was another excuse for a jolly gathering. The pollution caused in central and suburban London due to the gridlocked traffic patterns was certainly raised by these blockages.

To me, rather than do such disruptive actions that only serve to irritate the populace, it would be more meaningful to work industriously on a micro level where they reside and make conscious choices true to their beliefs, recycle, use only that which they need, forsake 'modern' gadgets, reduce consumption, walk or cycle where possible and the most influential, choose not to procreate. The large polluters in 2019 seem to be China, India and the USA, the first two producing 'stuff' for those of us in the so-called first world. If 'we' purchase less unnecessary things, the resultant lesser activity (in pollutive terms) should be less. Population control is out of control in both India and China and until that elephant in the room is addressed things won't improve.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 10:41
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agreed !

Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
I had reason to be in in central London yesterday and the traffic disruption, especially that of many bus routes was very noticeable. I don't mind walking, but the number of those less able (elderly, physically afflicted, carrying heavy baggage etc) were having a harder time of it. The main protests were centred in Trafalgar Square and this seemed to be populated with protesters having a happy social gathering with various 'circles' talking and playing which they seemed to be enjoying. To a wo/man they were wearing and using products that owe much to the petrochemical industry and, of course, smartphones galore. No doubt some very well meaning individuals there, but I had the impression that it was another excuse for a jolly gathering. The pollution caused in central and suburban London due to the gridlocked traffic patterns was certainly raised by these blockages.

To me, rather than do such disruptive actions that only serve to irritate the populace, it would be more meaningful to work industriously on a micro level where they reside and make conscious choices true to their beliefs, recycle, use only that which they need, forsake 'modern' gadgets, reduce consumption, walk or cycle where possible and the most influential, choose not to procreate. The large polluters in 2019 seem to be China, India and the USA, the first two producing 'stuff' for those of us in the so-called first world. If 'we' purchase less unnecessary things, the resultant lesser activity (in pollutive terms) should be less. Population control is out of control in both India and China and until that elephant in the room is addressed things won't improve.
SHJ I am sure the viewpoints of your second paragraph are right.
I believe that these demonstrators do so because it enables them to feel good.......about themselves.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 11:36
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
Population control is out of control in both India and China and until that elephant in the room is addressed things won't improve.
The population growth rate for china is now far lower than many western countries and it is expected to go negative in the next few years so I wouldn't say that it's out of control.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 11:40
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The Benefite Trots/Anarchists do seem to wear rather a lot of Polyester and Nylon.
Of course, Polyester has nothing to do with Oil, gas and etc. TPA and ethylene glycol are drawn from either thin air, or the drivel that emanates from the protestors mouths.

Good old ICI and Dupont.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 11:57
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So lets not talk about it?

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Old 12th Oct 2019, 12:50
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Think Europe has done its bit......


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Old 12th Oct 2019, 13:24
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I wonder how "they" are going to blame that on us "whiteys". It just cannot be the "blacks'" fault in this age and time.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 13:38
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I wonder how "they" are going to blame that on us "whiteys". It just cannot be the "blacks'" fault in this age and time.
I'm sure that some people will argue that the only reason the population growth is so high in parts of Africa is because of all of the aid that we send over there.
If they weren't sent so much food/supplies/money etc, they wouldn't be able to have such large families.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 13:57
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Interesting graph. Would be even more informative if it was overlaid with projected mortality rates for the same areas. Wouldn't be so one-sided, of course, but 'we whiteys' mustn't confuse ourselves with 'balance'.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 14:33
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Interesting graph. Would be even more informative if it was overlaid with projected mortality rates for the same areas. Wouldn't be so one-sided, of course, but 'we whiteys' mustn't confuse ourselves with 'balance'.
Apparently 77% of the population of Africa is aged under 35, so I would guess the population explosion will continue regardless of mortality rate.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 14:49
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Interesting graph. Would be even more informative if it was overlaid with projected mortality rates for the same areas. Wouldn't be so one-sided, of course, but 'we whiteys' mustn't confuse ourselves with 'balance'.
As that graph is relating to estimated population growth and not simply birthrates, it will already take into account things such as infant mortality, immigration & emigration, estimated lifespan of adults etc.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 15:00
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Current mortality rates aren't having a controlling effect on rampant population growth. Wouldn't expect any future projection to indicate anything different.
Don't forget that over population, not just seemingly endless and pointless warfare is also driving the illegal migrations to historical "whiteylands". No balance there.

I see an example of mankind's current capabilities in the current grass fires (yes, just grass) in California.
Currently bankrupt PG&E shutdown power to 800,000 or a million customers because they were afraid the Santa Ana winds would break their poorly maintained wire infrastructure and cause fires. So, everyone in the vast area should be alert to fire danger at the moment.
A garbage truck driver (never the brightest sparks to begin with) discovers he's picked up some burning garbage from a dumpster and he now has a fire in his storage box.
He finds a layby and dumps his burning load which quickly spreads to the surrounding grasses.
Given the high state of the fire alert, local fire companies did not quickly extinguish the relatively small grass fires. you know "nip it in the bud".
The state did not bring in the aerial firefighters anywhere quickly enough to contain the still relatively small grass fires. No nipped bud.
Now 7542 acres burnt, 13% contained, lots of lost houses and a couple of hundred thousand people evacuated so far.
Still burning merrily those grass fires up hill and dale.

Great shots from helicopter steadi-cams looking down on skillful Bae -146, MD-87, B737 firefighters tho'.

Anyone expect we have the capability to do anything about climate change?
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 16:29
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I posted earlier a reference to Hans Rosling's presentation showing the relationship between fertility rates and wealth. He demonstrates it in a very clear and entertaining fashion. I don't get the impression that many here are aware of this work so post another link:

The conclusion seems to be that, if you help the people of poorer countries to become wealthier, you will see a reduction in fertility rates and, therefore, a reduction in population size.

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Old 12th Oct 2019, 17:33
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How about this instead?

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The conclusion seems to be that, if you help the people of poorer countries to become wealthier, you will see a reduction in fertility rates and, therefore, a reduction in population size the rate of population growth.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 18:47
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And how's that working out then?
Seems we've been at it since 1950 or so.
Foreign aid - money and food, Peace Corps, bringing in foreign students to educate, tons of Oxfams and "Save the" enterprises, school building, well digging, agricultural advice. etc.
All that has not improved the situation overall. In fact, the opposite.
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