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Old 8th Sep 2019, 20:50
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Gulf Stream?

In a report that forecasts the return of the 'Beast From The East', the Daily Mail has claimed that the Gulf Stream travels at 200 m.p.h. and will be diverted away from the United Kingdom this winter. Do their journalists, and I use the term loosely, have any level of formal training?
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Old 8th Sep 2019, 21:32
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The Fail gets it wrong again. They probably mean the Jetstream which, AFAIK travels at that speed and meanders over the North Atlantic generally affecting the UK weather.
But we all know that don't we.
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Old 8th Sep 2019, 22:59
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The Grumman Gulfstream is faster than that ! :-)
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 02:35
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They probably mean the Jetstream
This one?


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Speaking of the Gulfstream (Atlantic current) and the DailyFail.....https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iles-away.html
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 08:38
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Rarely I'll ever come to the defence of the Daily Mail, but I suspect that what they are reporting is a deviation in the track of the gulfstream away from UK shores, probably as a consequence of the excessive icemelt in Greenland this summer, which may push cooler water further southwards this winter. Could be typical newspaper hype, who know, but I suspect we'll find out in the next 6 months.

Climate scientists have suggested this as a longer term issue caused by global warming.

Time to get winter tyres on the Chelsea tractor perhaps? And also take some lessons in how to use the all wheel drive that comes with it.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 09:07
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Rarely I'll ever come to the defence of the Daily Mail, but I suspect that what they are reporting is a deviation in the track of the gulfstream away from UK shores, probably as a consequence of the excessive icemelt in Greenland this summer, which may push cooler water further southwards this winter. Could be typical newspaper hype, who know, but I suspect we'll find out in the next 6 months.

Climate scientists have suggested this as a longer term issue caused by global warming.

Time to get winter tyres on the Chelsea tractor perhaps? And also take some lessons in how to use the all wheel drive that comes with it.
Not sure how anyone can defend this quote, taken directly from the article in question:

... new methods used by UCL researchers, measuring changes in sunlight and other factors that affect the 200mph Gulf stream, has allowed predictions to be made much further ahead...
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 09:32
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I only defend what I think they are trying to suggest, a 200mph gulf stream would have pretty catastrophic consequences when it encounters land! I imagine some eejit of a journalist has googled "jetstream" for a speed, when they should have searched for gulfstream. About typical for the "Fleet Street" media. A bit like aircraft being parked on runways!
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 09:37
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Why does anyone ever take note of what the Mail chooses to print?
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 09:42
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This makes a change.

Such dire predictions are usually the exclusive preserve of the Excess for the rags readers to gain the impression the rag is being erudite and factual with the headlines.......there again, as Excess readers occupy a niche between Sun readers who have managed to advance their vocabulary and those who aspire to being Mail readers the headlines are never going to fulfil either of the two statements italicised anyway.

The Met Hoffice, despite it's continuing success in showing " now... 10% precipitation " on forecasts....... when most of the North Atlantic is descending earthwards...... has a more realistic perception.

https://blog.metoffice.gov.uk/tag/winter-forecast/
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 09:49
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Standard Daily Heil error. Just shows you how much you can trust the rest of the 'popular news'.

When Wikipedia bans the use of the Fail for being an unreliable source, it tells you all you need to know. The UN aren't big fans either.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 11:01
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I have now added "Daily Fail" and "Excess" to a list of vaguely annoying terms used on PPRuNe. Here they join "Fleabay", "Giggle" and "South American River site". All were mildly amusing at first, but have long ceased to be. By the way I am most certainly not a fan of the Daily Mail or the Daily Express, any more than I am of the Grauniad.

Sorry, "The Guardian"
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 11:08
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
I have now added "Daily Fail" and "Excess" to a list of vaguely annoying terms used on PPRuNe. Here they join "Fleabay", "Giggle" and "South American River site". All were mildly amusing at first, but have long ceased to be. By the way I am most certainly not a fan of the Daily Mail or the Daily Express, any more than I am of the Grauniad.

Sorry, "The Guardian"
But at least with "Grauniad" you're coat-tailing Private Eye...
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 19:32
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Gulf Stream: avg. speed 4 mph (max ~6 mph)
Gulfstream (G650): avg. cruise 589 mph (max ~620 mph)
Jet Stream: avg. speed 110 mph (max 250 mph)
Jetstream (32): 240-287 mph (rather well-named).

The Independent and Sun got it right. The forecast mentions the jet stream specifically. But also mentions Atlantic water temperatures, so one can see how confusion crept in.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 08:50
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Thought it was called North Sea Drift once it got near to here. Incidentally, the fossil record shows an extreme example of disruption when the north American ice sheet melted. This caused climate disruption in short order (less than 100 years for dramatic effects ) with icebergs off Portugal. I reckon global warming will most likely cause our climate in the UK to cool. Particularly bad for Scotland and northern Scandinavia. We will all be out of here before then though
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