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Jeffrey Epstein - Death by suicide

Old 10th Aug 2019, 19:08
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Did he?

Did they bury him so they were sure he stayed there?
His funeral was a biggie in Israel.

https://www.nytimes.com/1991/11/11/b...jerusalem.html
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 19:18
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It amazes me how Trump gets all the flak ie the comments about ‘grabbing pussy’ or being friends with Epstein. Whilst the real scumbag is Clinton who didn’t just talk about it he took sexual advantage of young women in the Whitehouse. Plus as said was a big visitor to Epstein’s little sex playground.

makes me puke!
The more I have read about Epstein and his "wealth", the more I am left with the impression that his sexual peccadilloes (while his were real), were a front for an intelligence forum working for a number of countrys.

It may mean that some people suggested in the media, as within his contact book / visitors to his island, by definition / inferrence involved in abuse, in reality were working / card carrying members of national intelligence networks.

Often the best place to hide is in plain sight.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:08
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Arkancide. Pure and simple.





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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:16
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Jeez do some of you ever think about what you write? Trump - no, no, only knew him in the 90s, so couldn’t be implicated, but Clinton visited him 23 times. No, no, he had 20 contacts for Trump, and Trump praised him in 02..... Hang on, Robert Maxwell’s daughter appears to be in the mix, he was a Labour MP (hint hint), but wait, he was Jewish too......

Perhaps, God forbid, Epstein had contacts with the rich and powerful across the board. Whether it was a power trip, or to provide perverse sexual services, who knows, though hopefully the truth will out sooner rather than later. One thing is for certain, hanging your hat on it being all left wing, or all right wing, or all Trump-ite’s, or all Democrats is a good way of looking pretty stupid if it all does come out.

Whatever the true believers of any faction would wish you to think, illegal sexual practices cross all political boundaries, so trying to score political points is particularly obtuse.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 07:16
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Such circles probably have their own set of rules and can be hard to grasp. But what I would find plausible: there is a need for discretionary partying among rich and powerful men. Maybe people like Epstein hang around there because they can arrange this for them. If he then makes sure there are a number of minors involved, he himself becomes powerful because even if a guest would never go for one of the real young girls, he still attended a pedo party. I am thinking if you are a rising star in the realms of serious money and power, invitations to such places are meant to make you calculable. Even if you are disgusted and see it was a mistake to go there, you are now compromised as they guy who was there when senator X snorted coke and royalty Y sat in the jacuzzi with a 12yo. You are potentially finished so you become part of the secret club. This category may be just as important as the clients who actually enjoy what is going on.

Someone mentioned intelligence, surely information like this will be of interest, they may not stage or initiate his endeavors, but surely register they are happening and try to be present. The Dutroux case even suggests they are in this so deep that more than 20 key figures in the trial, from witnesses to state prosecutor, wound up dead in professionally conducted (= evidence free) manner.

There has been speculation how Epstein actually got rich, as his performance as a banker didn’t reflect such money, and his Wall Street Jobs ended in scandal and conflict. I would assume he was a fixer and broker for special interest parties and maybe drugs first (80s Wall St.!), ended up knowing way too much, and when they didn’t know how to pay and control him they just set up a desk and a banker job for him to legalize all the money coming in. Somebody may have seen this as a problem later, and arranged for him to part with his employers.

Whats left is the question: if Epstein was disposable now, does it mean that kind of business has ended? Probably not. Who took over?

Anybody here had any affiliation to rich/powerful people or the Wall St. scene and could comment wether my reasonings are plausible? Or am I thinking like a plebes and things are really totally different from that.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 07:35
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Jeez do some of you ever think about what you write? Trump - no, no, only knew him in the 90s, so couldn’t be implicated, but Clinton visited him 23 times. No, no, he had 20 contacts for Trump, and Trump praised him in 02..... Hang on, Robert Maxwell’s daughter appears to be in the mix, he was a Labour MP (hint hint), but wait, he was Jewish too......

Perhaps, God forbid, Epstein had contacts with the rich and powerful across the board. Whether it was a power trip, or to provide perverse sexual services, who knows, though hopefully the truth will out sooner rather than later. One thing is for certain, hanging your hat on it being all left wing, or all right wing, or all Trump-ite’s, or all Democrats is a good way of looking pretty stupid if it all does come out.

Whatever the true believers of any faction would wish you to think, illegal sexual practices cross all political boundaries, so trying to score political points is particularly obtuse.
Well, the only person to be openly critical of Epstein (apart for his accusers re sexual assault) was Donald Trump, the only person to ban him from a holiday resort for an alleged sexual assault on a minor was Donald Trump. During his electioneering, Donald Trump made quite a not os cryptic comment on Epstein referring to his island and possible trouble ahead. I can find no one else who has publically denounced Epstein. They were not friends, and given the property deal (Donald shafted Epstein on a deal), do you think that, do you think Donald would be so critical if Epstein had anything on him even if it dated back to the '90s.

If I were a shady character, and if I were running dubious parties on an island, you can bet I would have every room in my resort equipped with hidden cameras, you never know when favour may be required. On a side note, many years back I once met an audio-video engineering type who told me of a very well paid contract fitting cameras in a luxury yachts bedrooms owned by a wealthy gentleman from the Middle East

Now, those pesky flight logs, Donald hs never been to the island, but it's eye-opening reading who has, what happened on this island? There may be many perfectly innocent holidays, but some may not have been given the allegations. Was there a foreign power controlling Epstein, well it if that were the case it might explain why certain intelligent and quite rational politicians seemed to make irrational decisions concerning invading certain countries.

And back to the 90s when you had the money, you would eventually meet the great and the good re the social scene at the time. I hope we do learn who was involved, but it all seems a little less likely now.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 07:42
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To be fair DroneDog, this could also reflect that Trump was so invested in NYC that he simply knew the full scale of what was going on, and was less naive than others. He may also have had options that did not involve going to the island physically. And maybe there is also competition in this kind of „business“ and some people trust a different provider. Or Trump had better lawyers who fought off everything that would attract negative attention, to protect a whole different ballgame (taxes, scheme economics...?). You are probably right that Trump avoided Epstein, but we can’t know if he had moral or strategic reasons for that.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 07:43
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See some pictures of Donny with Epstein, and it is funny how slimy and scaly Donny looked back then, before the Orange Panda days began.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 08:54
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Wonder if the UK intelligence agencies had anything to do with it? After all a dead Epstein can't give any awkward evidence, or make claims in court regarding "Randy Andy"!!!
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 08:59
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Krautwald, you bring to mind the Profumo affair and the suicide of Stephen Ward.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 09:20
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Whatever the true believers of any faction would wish you to think, illegal sexual practices cross all political boundaries, so trying to score political points is particularly obtuse.
Absolutely. As far as I can see, both Trump and Clinton are utter sleazeballs. That either of them ever got to run a great country like the USA is just beyond me.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 09:26
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Are 'we' sure that Epstein is even dead ? Occam's razor would suggest yes, terminated by himself rather than another, but it has been known before to happen. The anti-Trump lobby are all over the connections between T&E back in the day, but to be honest Trump was 'King' of Manhattan back then and was always to be found on the party circuit surrounded by beautiful women and rich 'friends'. I'd have been amazed if there WASN"T photos of the two together at some event or soiree. I have always had the suspicion that Epstein and others set up honeytraps for those they knew were interested in younger than age sex partners, and those that might, just might be open in the right conditions. Thusly implicated with photo/film/audio evidence, these perpetrators were used subtly over time to influence policy and do the bidding of others. Their self-preservation (which tells you all you need to know about their characters) was so strong that they put it above their duties and allegiances to their countries. A dirty business, but no doubt has always happened one way or another.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 09:33
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That either of them ever got to run a great country like the USA is just beyond me.
There's an 'I' in ruin...
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 09:35
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Wow. It seems a conspiracy is not even alleged, it is taken as a fact. Only the details to be argued about.
If they can’t keep a White House blowjob secret, involving just two people, how do people imagine that these vast conspiracies involving tens or hundreds of people are kept quiet?
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 11:36
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Suicide by poison?
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 11:44
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Originally Posted by JustinHeywood View Post
Wow. It seems a conspiracy is not even alleged, it is taken as a fact. Only the details to be argued about.
Even on the BBC.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 11:53
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Originally Posted by JustinHeywood View Post
Wow. It seems a conspiracy is not even alleged, it is taken as a fact. Only the details to be argued about.
If they can’t keep a White House blowjob secret, involving just two people, how do people imagine that these vast conspiracies involving tens or hundreds of people are kept quiet?
I tend to agree, however the BJ in the WH was made public by the BJ’er. She’s could only benefit (in her own eyes at least) by going public.

I didn’t known much about Epstein, still really don’t to be honest, but I have read about the long list of rich, powerful and influential men he has befriended and entertained. It is easy to see why they have much more to gain by Epstein’s death and therefore silence that anything else. It’s equally hard to understand how a vulnerable and highly important conspirator/witness, in what could have been the legal criminal case of the century, could be in a position to top himself.

The conspiracy theory’s in this case are easy to come by and will linger for a very long time. For once, they may even have an ounce of substance.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 12:04
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Epstein's fleet

His G550, which he used for his last trip to Paris before he got arrested, is registered to Plan D LLC.

https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinq...mberTxt=N212JE


Epstein said after arrest that his G-IV was sold in June, but the FAA apparently didn't get notice of this yet.

https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinq...mberTxt=N120JE


His S-76C++ N722JE is for sale

https://www.globalair.com/aircraft-f...LUS?AdId=87036

https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinq...umbertxt=722JE


His Bell 430 N331JE:

https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinq...umbertxt=331JE
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 12:59
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Democrats: Epstein was “suicided” just before he was about to implicate Trump in his crimes.

Republicans: Epstein was “suicided” just before he was about to implicate Clinton in his crimes.

Everyone else: Doesn’t both the current and a former US President being known associates of a paedophile kingpin just show how pathetically corrupt the US political system is?

And not to mention the links with the British Royal family as well...

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Old 11th Aug 2019, 13:12
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Democrats: Epstein was “suicided” just before he was about to implicate Trump in his crimes.

Republicans: Epstein was “suicided” just before he was about to implicate Clinton in his crimes.

Everyone else: Doesn’t both the current and a former US President being known associates of a paedophile kingpin just show how pathetically corrupt the US political system is?

And not to mention the links with the British Royal family as well...

Makes me wonder who runs the world.
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