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Old 31st Jul 2019, 09:57
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"Hong Kong is currently the center of China’s ability to raise US Dollars in Asia. China is desperately short of US dollars and, therefore, needs Hong Kong to remain a non-tariffed most-favored-nation trader with the United States and the United Kingdom."

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Old 31st Jul 2019, 10:00
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ng-kong-border

White House Eyeing Chinese Forces Gathered on Hong Kong Border
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 11:25
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Originally Posted by sfm818 View Post
"Hong Kong is currently the center of China’s ability to raise US Dollars in Asia. China is desperately short of US dollars and, therefore, needs Hong Kong to remain a non-tariffed most-favored-nation trader with the United States and the United Kingdom."

The Quiet Panic
A very interesting article. Thanks for posting.

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Old 31st Jul 2019, 16:12
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meadowrun; Those forces went into Hong Kong in the first morning of the takeover. They took over Prince of Wales Barracks and the air element took over Sek Kong. I know that because I was watching HK and Shenzhen TV which showed it all.

All the times I have been around Hong Kong I have never seen any of them in uniform on the streets.
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 17:54
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Yes. That is part of the provisions of the original agreement of the return of the territory.
They can be called out to assist in situations of disorder if requested by the government, I understand.
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 19:14
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This opinion piece from the South China Morning Post gives a little more background into the deployment of the PLA in Hong Kong.


https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...ear-option-pla
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 07:24
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The Chinese government has ordered Cathay Pacific Airlines (a private company) to suspend any employees who participate in the demonstrations.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 14:30
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And a recent HK crew on a turnaround flight to SHA were told to submit their phones to police who installed MFSocket (or an updated equivalent) onto them. The choice was that or be detained

You can google the software but it is a very competent tracking and reporting software which is being spread by the security services onto phones of people of interest.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 16:06
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The Chinese government has ordered Cathay Pacific Airlines (a private company) to suspend any employees who participate in the demonstrations.
Which perhaps illustrates the nervousness of some western governments using Huawei technology in sensitive areas. Huawei claims to be independent of Chinese governmental control, but if the Chinese government (t)asks who are Huawei to say no?
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 17:43
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https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...-bill-protests

Interesting take deep into the article about a local pondering leaving HK. Sounds a bit like nationalism, his story could be that of a modern day German citizen.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 17:44
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
A bunch of drivel
The population of China in 1800 was about 300 million, the UK about 10 million. At the time, Chinese civilization was far older and more established than European civilization. The UK was also half a world away. Perhaps if such a large, powerful, well established nation managed to be dominated in the way you claim by such a young and small one, they didn't really care that much and in fact were happy to use it for internal advantage?

An alternative view is that if you allow yourself to be pushed around so much by a smaller, younger, distant nation, then it's your own fault. It's only in recent decades that the "everyone must be soft and lovey" moment has come about. For all the rest of history, you either stood up for yourself or were taken over. Some were better at it than others, well tough, that's how the world works.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 18:50
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post


Can you further clarify?

Well, it’s estimated between one half to one million died building the Great Wall, mostly soldiers and convicts. I suppose that’s a start to the clarification you asked for .
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:06
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...-bill-protests

Interesting take deep into the article about a local pondering leaving HK. Sounds a bit like nationalism, his story could be that of a modern day German citizen.
It seems like yesterday to me that HK was handed back to China. And 50 years seemed like a lifetime away. However, we are nearly half way there, and many of the locals I know well are starting to realise that it will be over in the blink of an eye.

They fear for their children. With some good reasons, but also probably needlessly in others. Of course, when you are used to a free press, unrestricted internet, a fairly solid rule of law and similar matters, it is worrying to face the prospect of losing these freedoms that they have come to take for granted. And, over the recent past few years in HK, it has become ever more clear that change is already happening at a rapidly accelerating pace.

That said, the reality is that the economic future of Hong Kong citizens is completely tied to China, and that was also certainly true before the handover. Independence is a chimera. It is also true to say that the Chinese government have acted with a fair measure of restraint until now in the current unrest, and I believe it genuinely wishes to integrate Hong Kong successfully into China. This, though, isn't an easy task as they are finding out. I hope they continue to exercise that restraint, but fear that the worst could yet happen.

Democracy has never been offered to HK. However, I think that British rule was generally seen as benevolent, if somewhat paternalistic and self serving. I don't think most people cared because they were prospering in a way that wasn't widespread in the mainland prior to about 1990. I can remember going up to the border with China about that time to look out over the duck farms. The changes since then in China have been amazing. I have a lot of admiration for the farsightedness of Deng Xiaoping and the reforms that made those changes possible. I wonder sometimes if the current leadership is quite so capable.

I think one major difference since the days of British rule is that the selection of HK Chief Executives since the handover have been seen mostly as puppets of the Chinese government and not really fully on the side of locals in Hong Kong. Although I don't personally doubt that each and every one of them - including Carrie Lam who seems to be displaying amazingly poor political judgement at the current time - are acting in what they see as the best interests of Hong Kong, it remains the case that most have not been taken to the hearts of everyday Hongkongers. It can't be easy to negotiate a path to an inevitable integration that involves such major changes to the freedoms of the people of Hong Kong.

I don't think it is nationalism that is the issue here. It is fear of change, some of which, as I have suggested, is justified, but a lot of which isn't. The sad thing is that this fear is stopping many from seeing and taking advantage of the great opportunity that also comes hand in hand with these changes.

I worry about the current unrest. I deplore the violence from a small section of protestors. Not just because it undermines the very rule of law they purport to treasure, but because it can only hasten the worst of the changes they fear. I do understand, though, their concerns and empathise considerably with the peaceful majority.

Hong Kong is at a crossroads. I have a great love of the place. I spent a large part of my life there, and am married to a local. We also worry for our family there, and all our friends.

My own wish is that China would accelerate the legal and other reforms that would make integration a smoother process. Change will be easier if it comes from compromise on both sides. At the present time, that seems unlikely, but I keep hoping for the best in what appears to be a rather dark period in the history of the Fragrant Harbour.


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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:31
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A Superb summary!!!!
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 21:55
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Huawei claims to be independent of Chinese governmental control
Other countries can't mess this one up.
No more wishy-washy. They must be vigilant. There is a clear and present threat.
All Chinese companies will follow Chinese orders and there is an insidious Chinese agenda.
Good, perhaps for the Chinese but guaranteed not good for anyone else unless you actually like living under their way of doing things..

otherwise, later on , soon, "Oh, so sorry. We lied. Too bad. So sad."

and for some light music...

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Old 11th Aug 2019, 01:43
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HKG just took another nail in the coffin when London-Shanghai stock connect went live in mid June.

Hong Kong has been permitted to exist in present form only to support Shanghai Connect, something which is rapidly becoming obsolete.

The final solution will see China attracting funds to finance China 2025 and beyond directly without the need for HKG.

Rest assured the recent unrest in HKG is being covertly fueled by Washington as they continue to create “instability” in their efforts to force sovereign wealth funds to invest in their increasingly worthless T-Bills.

Follow the money.



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Old 13th Aug 2019, 03:13
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Like this?

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/f...92fe6118835fd9
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 04:29
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At least the protestors had the sense to leave the airport after a few hours. Had they tried to keep it closed it would have brought things to a head and resulted in hundreds of riot police clearing the terminal with batons and tear gas.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 05:27
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At least the protestors had the sense to leave the airport after a few hours. Had they tried to keep it closed it would have brought things to a head and resulted in hundreds of riot police clearing the terminal with batons and tear gas.
They're learning, with experience.
The guerilla tactics that they are using for spot-fire protests are running the police off their feet.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 15:02
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Looks like things are ramping up
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartandhp
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