India Moon Mission.
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Originally Posted by meadowrun
Concord was a battle lost and won and is a grape.
Concorde was magnificent regardless of the money.
Concorde was magnificent regardless of the money.
I usually go and look at Brian Trubshaw's book title, but at 5:30 in the morning I thought I'd just let some other dick correct me.
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Originally Posted by WingNut60
Blue Streak? Decided to put your money into Concord instead.
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Originally Posted by Carry0nLuggage
The choice was a financial one between supporting Blue Streak and ELDO or the Polaris programme. We could afford one but not both.
Just pointing out an historical fact.
I know that you have said the choice was Blue Streak and ELDO or the Polaris (and I guess it was), but it was all part of much broader budgetary constraints of the time.
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WingNut60 - I'm sorry if that cam across as a bit abrupt, I didn't expect the reply to directly quote you!
Anyway, I was a bit young to know the full details but given the worsening UK economy of the time and with no end in sight for the woes of the second and third stages of the launcher, Polaris must have seemed the better bet. There were ideas to put Black Arrow on top of Blue Streak and I think an interstage section had been designed.
The Ariane teams certainly got a head start from the experience. A lot of the original Kourou infrastructure was installed by UK teams. The last major involvement in the UK was the design and manufacture of the hold down and release mechanisms for Ariane 4, some of that hardware was still around at Stevenage in the early 80's.
Concorde was magnificent, and probably had equally magnificent political risks in cancelling just then.
Returning to the OP, the ISRO canteen had very good curry buffets for lunch
Anyway, I was a bit young to know the full details but given the worsening UK economy of the time and with no end in sight for the woes of the second and third stages of the launcher, Polaris must have seemed the better bet. There were ideas to put Black Arrow on top of Blue Streak and I think an interstage section had been designed.
The Ariane teams certainly got a head start from the experience. A lot of the original Kourou infrastructure was installed by UK teams. The last major involvement in the UK was the design and manufacture of the hold down and release mechanisms for Ariane 4, some of that hardware was still around at Stevenage in the early 80's.
Concorde was magnificent, and probably had equally magnificent political risks in cancelling just then.
Returning to the OP, the ISRO canteen had very good curry buffets for lunch
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-49032603
Thats fantastic news! Clearly, if they can afford to do this, the country has solved all its poverty and begging...
Thats fantastic news! Clearly, if they can afford to do this, the country has solved all its poverty and begging...
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Better to build a decent infrastructure before esoteric launch facilities.
Sewage systems for toilets, sewage processing, domestic electricity, water desalination (they are running out of water for an out of control population),
pollution control. Lots and lots of opportunities for all skill levels there.
Sewage systems for toilets, sewage processing, domestic electricity, water desalination (they are running out of water for an out of control population),
pollution control. Lots and lots of opportunities for all skill levels there.
Está servira para distraerle.
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At what point in the moon mission are they all going to break into song and start one of those beautiful musical dance scenes we've all become accustomed to enjoying whenever things get gripping. They absolutely must recruit Depeeka Padukone as one of the crew. I can't wait to see the stars through her eyes.
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Is there anything of significance to be learned from further dust bothering on the moon?
No commercial prospects, so far. They'd have to be really big re: mining complexities and transport viability.
Base for assembly of spacecraft to go further - perhaps - but earth orbit is closer with less gravity..
No commercial prospects, so far. They'd have to be really big re: mining complexities and transport viability.
Base for assembly of spacecraft to go further - perhaps - but earth orbit is closer with less gravity..
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Originally Posted by WingNut60
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Originally Posted by meadowrun
Is there anything of significance to be learned from further dust bothering on the moon?
No commercial prospects, so far. They'd have to be really big re: mining complexities and transport viability.
Base for assembly of spacecraft to go further - perhaps - but earth orbit is closer with less gravity..
No commercial prospects, so far. They'd have to be really big re: mining complexities and transport viability.
Base for assembly of spacecraft to go further - perhaps - but earth orbit is closer with less gravity..
Yes Tesla plays the game but Musk is a fantastist, we're not going to Mars nor is anyone going to the Moon.
I want to believe it but unless anyone finds a way of it that pays. We're just talking like Boris Johnson
Fantasy.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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https://phys.org/news/2019-08-india-...nar-orbit.html
India's Moon probe enters lunar orbit
India's Chandrayaan 2 spacecraft entered lunar orbit on Tuesday, executing one of the trickiest manoeuvres on its historic mission to the Moon.
After four weeks in space, the craft completed its Lunar Orbit Insertion as planned, the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) said in a statement. The insertion "was completed successfully today at 0902 hrs IST (0332 GMT) as planned, using the onboard propulsion system. The duration of manoeuver was 1738 seconds," the national space agency said.....
If the rest of the mission goes to plan, the Indian probe will land on the lunar South Pole on September 7.
To enter the final orbit over the lunar poles, Chandrayaan 2 will undergo four more similar manoeuvres, with the next scheduled for Wednesday.
ISRO chief K. Sivan said the manoeuvre was a key milestone for the mission, adding he was hoping for a perfect landing next month......
India's Moon probe enters lunar orbit
India's Chandrayaan 2 spacecraft entered lunar orbit on Tuesday, executing one of the trickiest manoeuvres on its historic mission to the Moon.
After four weeks in space, the craft completed its Lunar Orbit Insertion as planned, the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) said in a statement. The insertion "was completed successfully today at 0902 hrs IST (0332 GMT) as planned, using the onboard propulsion system. The duration of manoeuver was 1738 seconds," the national space agency said.....
If the rest of the mission goes to plan, the Indian probe will land on the lunar South Pole on September 7.
To enter the final orbit over the lunar poles, Chandrayaan 2 will undergo four more similar manoeuvres, with the next scheduled for Wednesday.
ISRO chief K. Sivan said the manoeuvre was a key milestone for the mission, adding he was hoping for a perfect landing next month......
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Disappointing comments here. Do you suggest that UK should not build an aircraft until no-one is homeless ? Or not invest in physics research until everyone has a good diet?
For a county to develop it needs to push the envelope of its capabilities. As long as it only invests in short-term 'social' projects it will be in thrall to short-term development aid. No country insists on equality before making any advance. I am delighted to see Ethiopia investing in space research, that sort of end-to-end capability is the start of addressing its own problems.
For a county to develop it needs to push the envelope of its capabilities. As long as it only invests in short-term 'social' projects it will be in thrall to short-term development aid. No country insists on equality before making any advance. I am delighted to see Ethiopia investing in space research, that sort of end-to-end capability is the start of addressing its own problems.
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It's more about the sheer scale of India's portfolio of problems and the chronic lack of real progress in solving them.
Millions and millions of people in major cities had severe water shortages before the monsoons came this year as only one example. Water is a pretty essential basic human requirement.
Millions and millions of people in major cities had severe water shortages before the monsoons came this year as only one example. Water is a pretty essential basic human requirement.
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Sure, I am not saying India is brilliantly run and prioritized, but I am saying that you can't put all national effort into short-term fixes. You must as a nation 'own' the capability to develop your own research targeting your own priorities. This is one of the big problems of the 'development industry', everything is short-term and actually causes damage to long-term capability.
