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Old 13th Jul 2019, 17:00
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Originally Posted by Blues&twos View Post
I've always interpreted "accident" as "unintentional", rather than no-one being at fault.
The fashion these days is to call them "collisions"... which they are.
I've been filling in a witness statement today (a form173 something or other), regarding a collision which I witnessed a week or so ago. All the way through the statement the choice was either "collision" or "incident" in every question, with a request to delete one or the other. It does seem to make sense to me, especially as the collision I witnessed definitely wasn't an accident, and the driver of the car that was clearly at fault just quickly drove off without stopping. I gather he may be having an interesting time, as by good fortune my dash cam recorded the entire collision, and I noted down his registration number before he drove off, and the police confirmed to me on the 'phone that he's been traced (I didn't report this collision to the police, I just gave my details to the owner of the damaged car).

One observation about this process is that by agreeing to be a witness I've ended up doing a fair bit of paperwork. There have been two multi page witness statements, one from the claim handler for the insurer of the car that was hit, one for the police, plus having to make copies of the dash cam video, certifying them as being true copies and sending three copies off, one to the owner of the damaged car, one to his insurer's claims handler and one to the police, plus forms that had to be filled in to allow the police and claims handler to retain and use my personal data for the duration of the investigation, etc. If I had to spend a couple of hours filling in paperwork, just as a witness, I hate to think how much time the insurers and police have had to spend on this.
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 17:05
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The Nip - quite a lot of the UK Highway Code is actually law (the relevant section of law used to be referenced, I don't know if the publication still does this in the latest version).
Some of it is good practice rather than enforcable law.
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 19:35
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
One observation about this process is that by agreeing to be a witness I've ended up doing a fair bit of paperwork. There have been two multi page witness statements, one from the claim handler for the insurer of the car that was hit, one for the police, plus having to make copies of the dash cam video, certifying them as being true copies and sending three copies off, one to the owner of the damaged car, one to his insurer's claims handler and one to the police, plus forms that had to be filled in to allow the police and claims handler to retain and use my personal data for the duration of the investigation, etc. If I had to spend a couple of hours filling in paperwork, just as a witness, I hate to think how much time the insurers and police have had to spend on this.
Duty as a citizen.

I recall one occasion on which the door bell rang, I answered the door, and there was a police sergeant there asking for my lad. Who appeared to have vanished when I called for him. It didn't take us that long to track him down - he was hiding in the Wendy house at the bottom of the garden.

Turned out that all she wanted him for was to do a witness statement for something he'd seen, and I think even reported, a few days ago, which he was happy to do - I've no idea why he thought they were after him such that he had to run away!

Sometimes you can report something and not have to go through the witness statement thing, eg if the perp puts his hand up and there is plenty of other evidence anyway so that they don't need yours. I've given my card to victims of car crashes, saying in a loud enough voice for the other motorist to hear "I'm happy to turn up in court and say whose fault it was", and not heard anything subsequently.
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Old 14th Jul 2019, 01:19
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My 2019 Lexus LC500 Owner's Manual has a warning that recorded data including images may be downloaded, but I've not yet located where the camera is exactly. I suspect it might be co-located with the lane-assist technology.
It will be, my dashcam also does lane drift, possible collision warning and car in front moving off etc.
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Old 14th Jul 2019, 17:28
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An overall upper limit of, say, 85 would be sensible, since that is probably the information processing or attention ability for most drivers, but I would hate cars to be artificially limited at intermediate speeds. Speed is not the problem: inappropriate speed for the conditions is. 30 mph would be highly foolish on sheet ice, or when passing horses, but 40 or 50 is too low on a deserted, dry, country A road away from built up areas.

If you do get someone driving at 40 or 35 on that A road, you soon get a long line of close driving vehicles bunched up behind them like in a Grand Prix with the safety car out, and some try to overtake in the wrong place and get it wrong.

Smart motorways do actually seem to work - now that drivers are learning to respect the temporary lower speed limits - and truckers have mostly stopped bullying cars to break those temporary limits, as they used to do. Actual standstill traffic is becoming a rarity in my experience. I do think though that HGVs should not be allowed into lane 3. Dangerous bunching of fast travelling cars occurs in lane 4 when slow trucks occupy lanes 1,2 and 3 simultaneously. Mr and Mrs 68mph are forced into the Mr late-for-my-meeting or Mr the-rules-don’t-apply-to-me lane. The smart motorway operators need to be much more vigilant; we often see three consecutive bridges at 40 mph on an absolutely clear road with light traffic which is very frustrating - do you ignore the obviously incorrect limits or slow right down (and get HGVs 1m from your rear bumper) in case the bridge speed cameras are switched on ?

However, I reckon what the country actually needs are more motorways* rather than extra lanes on existing ones, and to upgrade some dual carriageways to motorways, and some A roads to dual carriageways. We desperately need another North/South motorway, to supplement the M1, M6, and M5, and we need East/West motorways between, say, Aberystwyth and Norwich, and another from, say, Southampton down into Cornwall. These would help bring tourism, trade and jobs to those areas which are currently less easily accessible.

*And reinstate all the railway lines that Beeching (sp?) closed, but that is probably another debate !

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Old 14th Jul 2019, 20:19
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And reinstate all the railway lines that Beeching (sp?) closed, but that is probably another debate !
It's the same debate.

Build lots of new motorways, and what happens when you get to the last mile? If the last mile has no more capacity, then Kirchhoff's Law will tell you that there's no point in additional motorway capacity.

And rural broadband is the same debate as well, which is why there is (at last!) government intervention in that area.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 15:34
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The traffic police in the UK use the term “collisions” instead of “accidents”, implying that there is a reason for the incident rather than prejudging that no one is at fault.

Whilst it may be the sudden deceleration that kills, this wouldn’t happen without the excessive speed in the first place.

Australia has numerous restrictions imposed on new drivers which, depending on the state, include no V8 engines, no turbocharger (except diesel), max power ratio of 130 kilowatts per tonne and even limitations on the number of young passengers in the car.

Dash cams involve the issue of self incrimination should you be at fault and not want to provide evidence against yourself. Similarly, a solicitor argued that he didn’t have to provide the name of the driver (his wife) in relation to a traffic camera offence as he couldn’t be made to give evidence against his spouse.

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Old 15th Jul 2019, 16:37
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.....Similarly, a solicitor argued that he didnít have to provide the name of the driver (his wife) in relation to a traffic camera offence as he couldnít be made to give evidence against his spouse.
'A bit of a give-away though, isn't it?

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Old 15th Jul 2019, 21:50
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
With black boxes as well to say if you were speeding. which we will all end up paying for.

I for one could never understand the time, up-heaval and expense being inflicted on us all with those concrete monstrosities along our motorway system called smart motorways... why?, it looks like GPS and your car will make all that expense redundant in 2 years time, but they are still building the damned stuff... is it me or does it not seem stupid to be building something that prevents road widening at a later date to add extra lanes., I said it when they started doing it, roll out the technology into the car with warnings on screen or voice, you then do not need to produce all this environmentally unfriendly concrete....... jeez, I AM GOING GREEN....... I need to go hug a lampost.....

Deaths on UK Roads 2017 1793, speed related 1/4 = 448 Overkill or what...

Deaths related to Alchohol 7697,

Deaths by Drug Abuse 2504



Sometimes on wonders if resources are being channelled at the right targets


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415



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https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsrelatedtodrugpoisoninginenglandandwales/2017registrations

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Purchased an Alpine touch screen Nav/all the bells and whistles unit 5 years ago.
Whatever part you are using, radio/CD/Nav/USB/phone via Bluetooth, the volume cuts out and a nice female voice informs you that you are exceeding the posted speed limit, accompanied by a flashing red rectangle box in the lower left of the display with the limit displayed. Of course you can adjust the parameters, speed over by x mph before, or cancel entirely.
Its accuracy does of course depend on regular, accurate updates.
Interestingly it also logs average speed, max speed and a whole bunch of other parameters. I stumbled on the max speed quite by accident, pushing buttons just like a monkey, the manual is some 200 pages, I now have new respect for the old vehicle I drive, but that is another matter altogether.
The fact that the volume is muted and replaced with the warning I find quite effective, immediately drawing your attention.
As with all warnings, one can choose to ignore.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 14:13
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A bit of a give-away though, isn't it?
Absolutely, but without the legal declaration that she was the driver the ticket couldn’t be issued in her name, and her husband could swear that he wasn’t driving so it was catch 22.

​​​​​​​There is a provision for a higher fine where the driver can’t be identified which is meant to cover pool vehicles that have multiple drivers during the course of a day. In this case it’s better for the company to use modern technology such as swipe cards so they can pass the fine onto the offending driver rather than wear the cost themselves.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 14:47
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Audi removed the speed camera warnings on my head unit with an update some years past, which I thought stupid as the camera is there to warn drivers of a hazard not to generate revenue....... ho hum..

The Dash Cam I had fitted warns me of speed cameras and their limits via a nice female voice, it also does the average speed ones and mobile zones, I have noticed it only appears to tell me its a mobile zone if I am exceeding the limit, then keeps repeating it.... not that I ever exceed any limits, it is.... erm, in the booklet.
I also have a clip on wide mirror that is also GPS linked and does the same.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 15:14
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Prior to being paid by the Government more ££ not to turn up to work, and work would only pay me £ I perhaps occasionally would accidently exceed the speed limit, although I never did understand why I did that
However now I am better off not working and having no time restraints in my life the speed limiter function on my car is fully utilized (and I get better fuel consumption as a by product)
I have Dashcam front and rear in case I get 'tailgated'
anyhow back to the point of the Thread, Limiters on cars, never work because those that feel the need to speed excessively, WILL find ways
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 17:50
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I can't help feeling that the likely unintended consequence of electronic speed limiting linked to speed limits by GPS will be people driving around with their foot literally to the floor, without regard for the suitability of driving at the limit under the conditions prevailing.

I also think self driving cars will be doomed from the moment that adolescent boys discover that they can be made to drive into a tree or a lamp post in preference to an adolescent boy who has jumped out in front of them!
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 18:00
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I also think self driving cars will be doomed from the moment that adolescent boys discover that they can be made to drive into a tree or a lamp post in preference to an adolescent boy who has jumped out in front of them!
A bit like a really stupid trick that a friend and I did when we were 16. He'd got a motorcycle and just passed his test, so started riding to school (this was pre-helmet laws). He used to give me a lift home from school on the back and we started practising a trick, where I'd lean forward with my arms around him and steer the bike from behind. When we saw a car coming the other way, he'd lift his arms up and cross them in front of his face. The idea was just to put the wind up car drivers, but idiots that we were we hadn't thought things through. One afternoon we were riding home from school, pulled this trick when we saw a Morris Minor coming the other way, only to see the lady driving the Minor swerve off the road and hit a tree...

Luckily she wasn't hurt, but the pair of us had our ears bent well and truly by the village policeman, a certain gruff Sergeant Bowden.

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Old 17th Jul 2019, 02:49
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I find the “Waze” app to be very useful, unlike Google Maps it gives you your speed using GPS and knows the limit for the stretch of road you’re on. Speed camera locations are updated in real time by other users. Accidents and traffic jams are shown as well and used to calculate the best route. There is even a journey planner which tells you what time to leave based on anticipated conditions.
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