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Old 11th Jul 2019, 11:39
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 11:40
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How many other ambassadors entrust sensitive information to emails ? Seems to me that Darroch showed a distinct lack of awareness. Why didn't he keep his opinions until he had face to face meetings with the appropriate people ? Let's hope the next ambassador to the USA is more "streetwise".
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 11:43
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How many other ambassadors entrust sensitive information to emails ? Seems to me that Darroch showed a distinct lack of awareness. Why didn't he keep his opinions until he had face to face meetings with the appropriate people ? Let's hope the next ambassador to the USA is more "streetwise".
These emails would almost certainly have been sent via the normal, hardware encrypted, government intranet, not over the open internet, so would have been pretty secure from any sort of external hacking, I think. Pretty much the only way they could have been obtained and leaked would have been from someone on the inside, with access to the secure network.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 12:22
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I see the absurd generalists still ply their tendentious courses, peddling opinion as fact offering mutual applause. A fair reflection of the national debate but one wishes for better.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 13:02
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Given the general tenor of the preceding contributions, I am assuming (NEVER ASSUME, CHECK!) that MR O's obscure contribution is directed at the anti-Johnson, Trump, Farage contributors.
MANY years ago there was (for want of a better word) a comedian regularly on "the wireless", one Harry Hemsley. His 'act' consisted of inane conversations between himself and his imaginary family of three - Winnie, the eldest, a middle child whose name I can't recall and a non-verbal infant - Horace. In those days 'catch-phrases' were very much the thing and his (after a series of unintelligible gurgles) was "What did Horace say, Winnie?" Winnie would then translate.
The relevance of this I leave to the reader.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 13:17
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EVERYTHING posted on here is opinion, regardless of which "side" it comes from. I would hope that every user understands that.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 13:32
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1) What Darroch emailed was, self evidently, a pack of lies. Trump is an incredibly successful POTUS and the UK government has been massively more dysfunctional. Note that even Theresa May said that she didn't believe the emails. Only a fool would.
2) Apparently Darroch had previously worked at the EU and gone native. He then spent his time going round Washington mouthing off to all and sundry against Brexit. He should have been sacked for this.
3) Getting rid of Darroch is just part of draining the swamp. These politicised civil servants think that they are above democracy and no longer have to serve the British people. Olly Robbins is another example of this. Hopefully Boris will have a huge clearout.
4) Trump is POTUS, the democratically elected most powerful man in the world. It takes a special sort of idiot to gratuitously cross him. Darroch was toast once Trump said that he would not deal with him.
5) Boris's position on this is crystal clear. From the televised debate and from subsequent comments. He does not believe that civil servants should engage in politics. Not just Darroch. Any and every civil servant.

So fitting the Darroch case into the bigger picture, it is part of the restoration of democracy and our rights within it. It is one small step in draining the swamp.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 13:40
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I would be looking for someone who could retrieve this sort of information.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 13:46
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Originally Posted by Eclectic View Post
1) What Darroch emailed was, self evidently, a pack of lies. Trump is an incredibly successful POTUS and the UK government has been massively more dysfunctional. Note that even Theresa May said that she didn't believe the emails. Only a fool would.
2) Apparently Darroch had previously worked at the EU and gone native. He then spent his time going round Washington mouthing off to all and sundry against Brexit. He should have been sacked for this.
3) Getting rid of Darroch is just part of draining the swamp. These politicised civil servants think that they are above democracy and no longer have to serve the British people. Olly Robbins is another example of this. Hopefully Boris will have a huge clearout.
4) Trump is POTUS, the democratically elected most powerful man in the world. It takes a special sort of idiot to gratuitously cross him. Darroch was toast once Trump said that he would not deal with him.
5) Boris's position on this is crystal clear. From the televised debate and from subsequent comments. He does not believe that civil servants should engage in politics. Not just Darroch. Any and every civil servant.

So fitting the Darroch case into the bigger picture, it is part of the restoration of democracy and our rights within it. It is one small step in draining the swamp.
Your choice of nom-de-plume makes more sense now.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 13:58
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy View Post
I would be looking for someone who could retrieve this sort of information.
Pretty much got to be someone within the inner circle of the diplomatic staff, either at the embassy in Washington, or, more probably I think, at the receiving end here, in the FCO. My guess is that briefs like this may have been part of the routine electronic diplomatic bag data sent every day, so the receiving end most probably has more likely suspects than the sending end. It could well be someone on the political side, too, as the chances are these briefs were passed to Boris Johnson at the time, so may have been seen by his staff as well.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 14:26
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Definitely leaked from the receiving end. Probably a politician. One with a Farage style bent.

The Senior Civil Service do not want any sort of brexit, and they have not done for some time. So the Brexiteers want to attack them any way they can.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 16:22
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
Definitely leaked from the receiving end. Probably a politician. One with a Farage style bent.

The Senior Civil Service do not want any sort of brexit, and they have not done for some time. So the Brexiteers want to attack them any way they can.
Or you could view it the other way as a remainer hoping to put a major political rift between the US and the UK, the remain side could then argue that the chances of a trade deal with the US were now non-existent and so it would be much better to stay in the EU.

See, most things can be viewed in totally opposite ways.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 16:30
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I should have said someone who could retrieve it a couple of years later.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 16:38
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Why have ambassadors when you have twitter?
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 23:33
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Originally Posted by Redredrobin View Post
Sent in 2017? I can't seem to remember...who was Foreign Secretary in 2017? He might know what was going on
Why would he change the habit of a lifestyle.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 23:35
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
EVERYTHING posted on here is opinion, regardless of which "side" it comes from. I would hope that every user understands that.
Good that you remember this on other threads.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 06:05
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I have it on quite good authority that the leak was initiated by the Germans. The intention and motive were exquisitely simple. Drive a wedge between the US and the UK, disrupt the up and coming trade talks with Liam Fox and embarrass both countries in the eyes of the other. Following the collapse of trade talks, a no deal Brexit would become less attractive in the eyes of the public leading to a greater likelihood of Britain remaining, at the least, within the EU customs union thus preserving the German export market.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 07:17
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POLITICO:

Officials continue to search for the source of the leak of the diplomatic telegrams which saw the resignation of Kim Darroch this week. The Times’ Francis Elliott thinks the inquiry could be making good progress. He tweeted last night: “Told that Darroch leak inquiry much more advanced than most realise – looks like someone got a bit carried away.” Watch this space.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 07:55
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Think back to 2017. Trump had just been elected. Prior to that the Ambassador may have met Trump to businessman or Trump the candidate. 2017is the first time Her Britannic Majesty's Ambassador to the US can give a personal appraisal of the President with whom the UK will be working for the next 4 years.

We all make appraisals of people we work with or if our bosses etc. How do I approach him to get the outcome I want? I am sure the appraisals of his recent predecessors would be as illuminating.

Here is an article from the Independent but doesn't add anything to what we JBers have already said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8996196.html
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 09:55
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Your choice of nom-de-plume makes more sense now.
No kidding lol

Sad backward time though.
Tell the truth and loose your job, lie every single day and get to be a president...
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