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Old 11th Jul 2019, 13:44
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy View Post
The best and clearest English is spoken by Jacob Rees-Mogg.
So how come nothing he says makes any sense ?
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 13:55
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy View Post
The best and clearest English is spoken by Jacob Rees-Mogg.
I'll drink to that.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 15:36
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If someone says I’m good.. just say, at what ?
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 16:16
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Originally Posted by Auxtank View Post
It's the lack of transaction that smarts.
A: "How are you?"

B: "I'm good."

Conversation dead in the water until A once more takes up the baton.

A: "How are you? . . . I'm well, thanks"

B: ????

Where do you go from there?
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 16:24
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
Also from reading Indian newspapers online it seems to me that they're often almost Victorian in style. Another legacy of Empire..
When I was visiting there was a report of a civil servant guilty of having more wealth than his job could justify. He was sentenced to "rigorous incarceration". Sounded a lot worse than hard labour.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 16:27
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
But English no longer belongs to the English.
Not sure if ever has belonged to the English, has it? English is a real mongrel of a language, made up from bits of a dozen or more different languages, most derived from Germanic, but with bits of Greek, Latin, Celtic etc thrown in just to mix things up even more.

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Old 11th Jul 2019, 17:15
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
A: "How are you?"

B: "I'm good."

Conversation dead in the water until A once more takes up the baton.

A: "How are you? . . . I'm well, thanks"

B: ????

Where do you go from there?
In that good example you give there Pontius 'A' is at fault for pre-empting 'B's' ability to respond in kind - to 'transact' the enquiry. In other words to be able to bat back the question and thus demonstrate polite manners.

Bad show 'A'.

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Old 12th Jul 2019, 00:05
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I remember reading a book of etiquette dating from around 1950. This was in the days when we still said "How do you do?" The book said that this was not an enquiry into the state of health of the person addressed, but a simple greeting, which should only ever elicit the reply "How do you do?"

Which always struck me as a bit silly!
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 02:49
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If you dinosaurs insist on a fixed, unchanging language youre welcome to it. But a language only survives by evolving. Throughout the history of the English language, certain people have bemoaned the slipping of standards as what they thought was the proper way to speak inevitably changed and evolved to what we have today. My opinion is that we use words to make them mean something and if modern users find a new meaning for a word then so be it. In fact many words we use today do not have the meaning that they originally did.

The statement in another post that American English is based on Old English is incorrect. OE died out pretty much around the 1000s. AE is based on Early Modern English as was spoken in the 1500s. In between these was Middle English which saw the great vowel shift of the 1300s. How would you cope with that?

And finally

On the other hand some very popular YouTubers are British some with Northern accents. Goodness knows where that could lead.
if it wasnt for the Northern dialect wed probably still have the ...eth suffix for third person instead of ..s
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 09:16
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Originally Posted by RAC/OPS View Post
if it wasnt for the Northern dialect wed probably still have the ...eth suffix for third person instead of ..s
As an undergraduate in Yorkshire in the 1970s, I remember some of the locals regularly using the pronouns 'thee' and ' thou'. Are they still heard in those parts today?
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 09:27
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
We were never allowed to use get/got or getting. Gotten was, and is, an illiteracy. Now about Intuit, intuited and the other bastard offspring of that abortion......
Since we all being precise as to detail, how can an abortion have offspring?
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 09:27
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"I'm waiting for him to get back to me...".

Just used that in a text... changed it to "I'm waiting for him to reply."
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 09:47
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It may well be from an older form of British English, but the increasing use of 'with' after verbs such as talk, meet and - horror of horrors - visit makes my blood nigh on evaporate.

​​​​​​As I once said on a post elsewhere, people who use such forms need a right good talking with.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 09:53
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They need a proper good talking to. It makes me proper angry...

Very well spoken friend of mine often says "he didn't ought to do that" which I have read in Nevil Shute books but never heard anyone else say. Can't decide if it's an archaic form of English or a kind of slang. He sounds English but is a Sct educated at Fettes.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 09:59
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As elocution lessons are now being offered on JB, and you can always tell the calibre of a good chap by the inflection in his voice.....and the quintessential haffeced Hinglish Harksent.....a favourite of Royalty Hexparts and con artists alike.....for those daft enough to be lured in by these dulcet tones.....here's a nice regional accent ( posted before, I admit ) which is definitive of those so immersed in etiquette.....and stuff.

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Old 12th Jul 2019, 10:13
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As an undergraduate in Yorkshire in the 1970s, I remember some of the locals regularly using the pronouns 'thee' and ' thou'. Are they still heard in those parts today?
As a member of Carlisle Grammar School rugby under 15s in the early 60s I was playing second row forward in a match against Wigton Nelson Tomlinson (Melvyn Bragg's old school). Wigton was a small country town inhabited by yokels (we thought) whereas we regarded ourselves as city sophisticates. During a fairly rough scrum one of the Wigton players was heard to complain "If tha does that again I'll hit thee lad". Cue much mirth from the Carlisle team and the phrase entered the language back in school in Carlisle to be used (ironically) on suitable occasions.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 10:28
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Ah yes, that reminds me of the film Kes, which was set, IIRC correctly, in Barnsley. Much theeing and thouing throughout the dialogue.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 11:01
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Originally Posted by Auxtank View Post
In that good example you give there Pontius 'A' is at fault for pre-empting 'B's' ability to respond in kind - to 'transact' the enquiry. In other words to be able to bat back the question and thus demonstrate polite manners.

Bad show 'A'.
At least A was consistent so I automatically ignored him and asked an alternative question.

"What do you think of the weather, fine isn't it, think it's going to rain? Best be off then, don't want to get caught." 😆
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 12:36
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Don't thee thou me.....
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 12:41
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One "modern" trend that annoys me is folk from selling companies who call me by my first name without my permission.

Or the ones on the phone, who ask "May I call you Ancient?" They get a speedy, "I prefer Mr Observer"
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