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Old 1st Jul 2019, 21:49
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Sharp elbows at the EU

I note that the jockeying for the top jobs at the EU trough is getting nasty . Germany and France can no longer carve up the available positions and Merkel is now severely weakened as King/Queen maker. Unfortunately Cameron who was mightily opposed to Juncker was blocked by the French and Germans.Things may have worked out quite differently if he had been successful in removing Juncker from consideration as EU president .
Uber left winger the Dutchman Timmermans is being
strongly opposed by the more right wing populist E European members .... what a mess ! glad to be out of it asap .
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 22:23
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Euro News on TV is an absolute hoot. Meetings have been going on for days but no signs of anyone being elected to high office. Mucho wheeling dealing taking place. Our Westminster parliament seems almost normal in comparison to the antics taking place on the other side of the ENGLISH channel.
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And on this side of the NORTH SEA the scrap to be Prime Minister is an absolute hoot to those watching on from Europe after our candidates tell the nation how much sacrificing businesses, jobs and our economy will be worthwhile.
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Oh I donít know, Belgium went for 541 days without forming an official government , entered the Guinness book of records and smashed the previous record for non governance held by ... wait for it ... Iraq.

As the EU hq is in Brussels that really is s hoot ! Donít you think ? After all the UK is fielding only 2 candidates to find a PM for the 2nd largest economy in Europe, quite orderly compared to the bun fight across the channel ( different from the N Sea)
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 07:38
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Our Westminster parliament seems almost normal in comparison to the antics taking place on the other side of the ENGLISH channel.
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Thus speaketh Blossy.

Your Westminster parliament could not agree to support any of the numerous propositions put to it on Brexit during the past year. Is this the new "normal".
When 27 independent countries try to seek a broad consensus it's never easy.
This thread has confirmed my long-held view that much of what is said on this subject is not out of concern for the UK's future, but out of sheer irrational hatred and fear of the EU
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 07:47
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Originally Posted by Blossy View Post
Euro News on TV is an absolute hoot. Meetings have been going on for days but no signs of anyone being elected to high office. Mucho wheeling dealing taking place. Our Westminster parliament seems almost normal in comparison to the antics taking place on the other side of the ENGLISH channel.
No actually, negotiation and consensus are things that are absolutely normal in many governments, so are not the least bit unusual or dysfunctional and certainly not a hoot.

For a hoot watch the UK, with it's childish and pointless PMQs, the constant braying and nodding in parliament makes it sound more like a donkey farm than a serious debating chamber, and the farce of 140,000 people electing the new prime minister in what is allegedly a parliamentary democracy.

The EU will resolve it's decisions on it's new officials long before the UK works out when, how and indeed if, it ever leaves the EU. And that, my friends, is a fact.
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Jack D,

Er, the TORY PARTY fielded an initial 17 candidates that was gradually filtered down to 13 and then progressively to just the two that are left to battle it out in public for the votes of a mere 160,000.
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Originally Posted by Economics101 View Post
This thread has confirmed my long-held view that much of what is said on this subject is not out of concern for the UK's future, but out of sheer irrational hatred and fear of the EU
Your view is entirely correct. This latest thread is a typical example.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 09:20
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I think the thread is more relevant as concern for the EU,s future, not hatred or envy, just realization that it has become an unwieldy top heavy organisation in need of serious reform
Unloved by many citizens of member states who have no choice but to remain.

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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Your view is entirely correct. This latest thread is a typical example.
Which is why both contenders for the post of PM are quite comfortable to put companies out of business, and by implication people out of work, to satisfy "the will of the people". Just how much good will reducing corporation tax do if companies aren't making profits??

I ask myself, if the will of 30 from 52 people on a coach was to drive off would the driver go ahead with doing so?? Probably not, since it would not lead to a good outcome. Of course, in the case of both individuals (and many of the Tory members who form the electorate) driving off an EU "Beachy Head" won't harm them, or their families to the extent it will (project fear alert) your ordinary Joe, many of whom, in fairness, voted for it.
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They are fighting over the keys to the wine cellar.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 09:38
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The will of the people ... thatís it ! well done ! a new concept in some of the more recent European democracies you know who I mean. In fact we all have to wait and see what dire predictions will come to pass
and what vindictiveness can be blunted by sensible withdrawal terms
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Actually since Brexit we are the third largest economy in the EU and if you watch the G20 top table there is a seat for the Eu but certainly wont be one for the UK no doubt we will sit on Americas knee at future meetings brig further shame and embarrassment on ourselves.

But for us to poke fun at EU processes is laughable-there is a lot wrong with the Eu but nothing like as much as is wrong with the UK where two people from a party with no majority wants to change PM for the third time in 4 years while refusing to allow a second referendum about a vote that took place over three years ago,

Can that in any form look like democracy. And we are saddled with a useless head of state that costs a fortune and does nothing at a time when the head of state is supposed to act in the national interest but can't and a constitution that doesnt exist .And two PM candidates falling over themselves to gratify minority of the country just so that the Uk can continue its traditions of tax evasion and wealth protection through its network of colonies and tax havens. and where bothmen are happy to sacrifice business and jobs in order to retain.
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Absolutely ! Have you been to Greece lately ? 50 pc unemployment among young people or Spain, Italy, Portugal a little better but not by much.
The Uk has the 2nd largest economy in Europe after Germany and ahead of France and the 6th largest economy in the world ... I suspect a place will be found for them at the G10 meetings donít you ? never mind the G20 . Not to mention the security council and NATO where we sped in excess of the mandated 2% of gdp unlike some of our partners eg Germany !
There will be a general election held in the nit so distant future ! Btw doesnít Belgium, Spain , Denmark,Sweden have Royal families ? Best leave ours out of the equation, the Queen is very popular
you know !

Actually the the more I collate these attributes the more the loss for the EU becomes apparent rather than the reverse !
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Will our new Prime Minister be able to tear himself away from his allotment to attend the G20 ?
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Actually since Brexit we are the third largest economy in the EU and if you watch the G20 top table there is a seat for the Eu but certainly wont be one for the UK no doubt we will sit on Americas knee at future meetings brig further shame and embarrassment on ourselves.

But for us to poke fun at EU processes is laughable-there is a lot wrong with the Eu but nothing like as much as is wrong with the UK where two people from a party with no majority wants to change PM for the third time in 4 years while refusing to allow a second referendum about a vote that took place over three years ago,

Can that in any form look like democracy. And we are saddled with a useless head of state that costs a fortune and does nothing at a time when the head of state is supposed to act in the national interest but can't and a constitution that doesnt exist .And two PM candidates falling over themselves to gratify minority of the country just so that the Uk can continue its traditions of tax evasion and wealth protection through its network of colonies and tax havens. and where bothmen are happy to sacrifice business and jobs in order to retain.

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Talking of the EU..


Hopefully they are also turning their backs on their allowances etc.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 10:38
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Oh dear.

Thatís not very grown up is it?!

They have clearly read the book ĎHow to make friends and influence peopleí!

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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 10:50
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At least the chap in the blue shirt, aka the commissioner for pie consumption has only half turned his back !
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Explanation given on Twitter:

Somebody told them the expenses claim form was on the table behind them so they are all desperately looking for it.
.. It would be nice to think those MEPs could manage to pay respect to the office/ organisation despite any personal views..


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